Engine Build Thread

[luigi90210]

Originally Posted by elliotty

Just to throw another option out there: Anyone considering stroker kits? I plan on doing an engine build in the future as well and figured if I am in there and buying all the parts, why not go big? Would there be any additional upgrades needed, other than the additional work at the machine shop?

Both GTM and Brian Crower offer some pretty attractive kits.

i have only seen the gtm kit but i personally am saving up for the 4.5 stroker kit granted my build plans are all motor

iirc you will see about 490hp with just the kit, nothing else but im not sure

edit, just saw someone else posted about the stroker kit, looks like im going with the 4.2L cause i want AC

[bullitt5897]

Originally Posted by luigi90210

i have only seen the gtm kit but i personally am saving up for the 4.5 stroker kit granted my build plans are all motor

iirc you will see about 490hp with just the kit, nothing else but im not sure

edit, just saw someone else posted about the stroker kit, looks like im going with the 4.2L cause i want AC

for an NA setup definitely go 4.2L!!! You will see 400hp with that crate motor

[luigi90210]

Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports

for an NA setup definitely go 4.2L!!! You will see 400hp with that crate motor

seriously? now im excited >_< lol

any other supporting mods you recommend(aside from oil cooler, trans cooler, radiator)

oh should i upgrade the brakes as well? i have a stock nismo 370z at the moment and so far i love the brakes on there but idk if it can handle that power and stop me safely

[kpjc4eva]

Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports

for an NA setup definitely go 4.2L!!! You will see 400hp with that crate motor

what type of tires do you use ?

Are you going to TX2k? You should.

[tibal]

Originally Posted by Nissan370

dam i am tring to make that stillen kit work wish i did more research from the start. 1 step forward 2 steps back. now i have to save up for the turbo kit and hope to sell the stillen kit for atleast 3500.00 to get some kinda money back it was 9200 to buy,install and tune it

Sheesh! Hopefully u can get that or maybe a bit more. That's how it always is, get one thing done and two more pop up.

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[elperuano]

I like the idea of a striker kit also. Haven't seen one on the 37 yet, maybe 1 car that had numerous sponsors. White 370 I think had stroker.

[tibal]

Originally Posted by elperuano

I like the idea of a striker kit also. Haven't seen one on the 37 yet, maybe 1 car that had numerous sponsors. White 370 I think had stroker.

I believe that the blue and orange 370 for sale in the classifieds with the Stillen SC kit has a stroker motor. I however don't think he has any information on gains.

[elliotty]

Originally Posted by elperuano

I like the idea of a striker kit also. Haven't seen one on the 37 yet, maybe 1 car that had numerous sponsors. White 370 I think had stroker.

I think there have been a few GTM customer vehicles with the stroker motors as well. I am mostly interested in how that would affect torque and turbo spool. I am guessing I might need to upgrade the GT28s to something larger to really utilize the increased displacement. Any thoughts?

DIGItonium - I think you could manage heat well with an upgraded radiator, which for reliability reasons, I would probably want to do if building the motor.

[bullitt5897]

Originally Posted by elliotty

I think there have been a few GTM customer vehicles with the stroker motors as well. I am mostly interested in how that would affect torque and turbo spool. I am guessing I might need to upgrade the GT28s to something larger to really utilize the increased displacement. Any thoughts?

DIGItonium - I think you could manage heat well with an upgraded radiator, which for reliability reasons, I would probably want to do if building the motor.

Being one of the stroker kit owners:

The larger displacement increases the exhaust gas flow. What you have to take into consideration is what turbo or SC'er is the correct size for the displacement. I am running two GTX35R turbos on the 4.5L and it has a similar spool response as the GT28's did on the stock motor. check the video below at 53 secs in you will see my low boost setting on the stock intake manifold. This should give you an idea of what a proper sized turbo to displacement should look like.


With the stroker kits if you go 4.2L you will not have to sleeve the block. However, with the 4.5L you do and this comes with the expense of much more HEAT!!! We had to go with a full race radiator to make it manageable. I still have to talk to Sam to see if there is a way to save my A/C on my build. I believe he removed the A/C compressor so I will need to find a way to squeeze that bugger back in between the cooling mods.

A 4.2L you could get away with the CSF radiator and I highly recommend it! Great Product and Great Customer Service!!!

[elperuano]

Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports

Being one of the stroker kit owners:

The larger displacement increases the exhaust gas flow. What you have to take into consideration is what turbo or SC'er is the correct size for the displacement. I am running two GTX35R turbos on the 4.5L and it has a similar spool response as the GT28's did on the stock motor. check the video below at 53 secs in you will see my low boost setting on the stock intake manifold. This should give you an idea of what a proper sized turbo to displacement should look like.


With the stroker kits if you go 4.2L you will not have to sleeve the block. However, with the 4.5L you do and this comes with the expense of much more HEAT!!! We had to go with a full race radiator to make it manageable. I still have to talk to Sam to see if there is a way to save my A/C on my build. I believe he removed the A/C compressor so I will need to find a way to squeeze that bugger back in between the cooling mods.

A 4.2L you could get away with the CSF radiator and I highly recommend it! Great Product and Great Customer Service!!!

What was the upside of goin 4.5? More low end torque and power?

[bullitt5897]

Originally Posted by elperuano

What was the upside of goin 4.5? More low end torque and power?

Going to the 4.5L allowed me the displacement that I needed to reach my goals and beyond... Like they say there is no replacement for displacement! lol

[Nixlimited]

Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports

With the stroker kits if you go 4.2L you will not have to sleeve the block. However, with the 4.5L you do and this comes with the expense of much more HEAT!!! We had to go with a full race radiator to make it manageable. I still have to talk to Sam to see if there is a way to save my A/C on my build. I believe he removed the A/C compressor so I will need to find a way to squeeze that bugger back in between the cooling mods.

A 4.2L you could get away with the CSF radiator and I highly recommend it! Great Product and Great Customer Service!!!

Why does sleeveing the block create so much additional heat? Do you think it was worth it to add the additional .3L given the heat issues that come with it?

[bullitt5897]

Originally Posted by Nixlimited

Why does sleeveing the block create so much additional heat? Do you think it was worth it to add the additional .3L given the heat issues that come with it?

Its not that sleeving the block alone adds more heat its a combination of factors that have attributed to the additional heat. Remember I am keeping the high RPM redline with alot more mass being rotated in my engine. The material that used to act as a heat sink behind the cylinder walls is no longer there... Larger moving parts with a greater surface area along with less material in the block will result in a hotter engine.

[Mr.Squeeze]

Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports

Being one of the stroker kit owners:

The larger displacement increases the exhaust gas flow. What you have to take into consideration is what turbo or SC'er is the correct size for the displacement. I am running two GTX35R turbos on the 4.5L and it has a similar spool response as the GT28's did on the stock motor. check the video below at 53 secs in you will see my low boost setting on the stock intake manifold. This should give you an idea of what a proper sized turbo to displacement should look like.


With the stroker kits if you go 4.2L you will not have to sleeve the block. However, with the 4.5L you do and this comes with the expense of much more HEAT!!! We had to go with a full race radiator to make it manageable. I still have to talk to Sam to see if there is a way to save my A/C on my build. I believe he removed the A/C compressor so I will need to find a way to squeeze that bugger back in between the cooling mods.

A 4.2L you could get away with the CSF radiator and I highly recommend it! Great Product and Great Customer Service!!!

What's the mid boost high boost numbers and graphs ? I have a really hard time believing that 1000 whp can be made with T25 flange because of back pressure.

I would love to see this even though you have a 4.5 liter ,witch I think is the only way to get achieve or get close to 1000whp on these car's

[DIGItonium]

Originally Posted by elliotty

DIGItonium - I think you could manage heat well with an upgraded radiator, which for reliability reasons, I would probably want to do if building the motor.

Yea, part of the upgrade is the CSF radiator. I didn't list it since I'm primarily focused on the engine.

Those who built their motors, anyone got away with reusing the VVEL portion? I think I read it least one person did it without any issues. I was actually thinking about building the block and reusing/upgrading my heads.

@Mike, any word on the lower manifold adapter? My plenum is still boxed up in the garage.