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scth83 12-01-2012 08:55 PM

I am having mine done by GTM, 4.5L stroker, ITBs, Dry sump system. It would be done in Jan2013.

tibal 12-01-2012 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by scth83 (Post 2042346)
I am having mine done by GTM, 4.5L stroker, ITBs, Dry sump system. It would be done in Jan2013.

Damn dude that is awesome. Can't wait to see that. Especially interested to see how the itbs come out

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kpjc4eva 12-01-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2042132)
seriously? now im excited >_< lol

any other supporting mods you recommend(aside from oil cooler, trans cooler, radiator)

oh should i upgrade the brakes as well? i have a stock nismo 370z at the moment and so far i love the brakes on there but idk if it can handle that power and stop me safely

8 pot brakes

Endless cant ever go wrong with them.

kpjc4eva 12-01-2012 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 2041375)
for an NA setup definitely go 4.2L!!! You will see 400hp with that crate motor :tiphat:

what type of tires do you use ?

Are you going to TX2k? You should.

Mr.Squeeze 12-02-2012 10:35 AM

Wiseco 10:1 custom pistons
Eagle Rods
ARP L19 Head Studs
New Stock OEM Head gasket
Calico coated OEM bearings
Deatschwerks 850cc Injectors
CJM Motorsports Twin fuel pump
CJM fuel Return system
GTM fuel Rails
Uprev GT Maf's
R/T Tuning fuel feed lines
HKS EVC S boost controller
South Bend TZR Stage two clutch Rated @ 650 RWTQ

This is pretty much what I have on my car to reach my goal of 700 whp on high boost on this engine , I have another long block that I will be building next winter . Now for people that want 550-600 whp the fuel system that I have on this list can be taken off . A simple 340 lph pump wired from the battery,and bigger 850cc injectors stock fuel rails can be used .

I would also choose the K1 rods over the Eagle rods,and off the shelf 9:1 Wisceo pistons to keep things simple.

Also you do not need to do anything to the head just leave it alone

Boost_lee 12-02-2012 10:56 AM

Anyone know the stock sleeve power limit on the VQ37? I thought I stumbled across an 800-900 hp range for the HR motor...

Mr.Squeeze 12-02-2012 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Boost_lee (Post 2042677)
Anyone know the stock sleeve power limit on the VQ37? I thought I stumbled across an 800-900 hp range for the HR motor...


This is something I would like to know my self ,however there aren't any guys pushing them on the 3.7. I will say this much there are a few DE engines that have been pushed that far though. I plan on pushing mine to around 22-23 psi ,and see where it lands.

DIGItonium 12-02-2012 12:31 PM

So you pretty much left the valve train alone with this build? I don't plan to push more than 600 whp. It would be fun to have a higher rev, but not sure how VVEL would cope with that.

Mr.Squeeze 12-02-2012 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 2042762)
So you pretty much left the valve train alone with this build? I don't plan to push more than 600 whp. It would be fun to have a higher rev, but not sure how VVEL would cope with that.


No need to rev higher if your not making power up top just more stress. I have mine raised just a hair to 7800 rpm's, plus I have heard of the oil pumps on older VQ's letting go at high rpm's.

bullitt5897 12-02-2012 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kpjc4eva (Post 2042404)
what type of tires do you use ?

Are you going to TX2k? You should.

Maybe... depends on a lot of factors.

I run R-Comp racing tires in the rears or drag/street style rear tires. :tiphat:

elliotty 12-20-2012 07:40 AM

Reviving the thread with a question:

Are the VQ35 Main/Head Studs the same as the VQ37? Specifically looking at the ARP offerings.

esfourteen 12-20-2012 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by elliotty (Post 2069129)
Reviving the thread with a question:

Are the VQ35 Main/Head Studs the same as the VQ37? Specifically looking at the ARP offerings.

I believe the head studs are all the same and for the mains you want studs for an HR. My block had to go back to the machine shop this week to get line honed for the ARP mains, I forgot I had them line hone it with the oem studs :shakes head:

elliotty 12-20-2012 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2069198)
I believe the head studs are all the same and for the mains you want studs for an HR. My block had to go back to the machine shop this week to get line honed for the ARP mains, I forgot I had them line hone it with the oem studs :shakes head:

Thanks, good to know! I have found a few sets of studs for sale on my350z and wanted to know if they will work.

What about head gaskets? I am guessing we need VQ37VHR specific ones?

esfourteen 12-20-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by elliotty (Post 2069229)
Thanks, good to know! I have found a few sets of studs for sale on my350z and wanted to know if they will work.

What about head gaskets? I am guessing we need VQ37VHR specific ones?

I believe you need our specific head gasket, but if you're doing an engine build just buy the "engine rebuild gasket kit" from courtesy nissan, it costs $215 and it comes with every single gasket for the engine, including head gaskets.

elliotty 12-20-2012 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2069284)
I believe you need our specific head gasket, but if you're doing an engine build just buy the "engine rebuild gasket kit" from courtesy nissan, it costs $215 and it comes with every single gasket for the engine, including head gaskets.

Excellent, good to know! Are the stock gaskets up to the task? I would love to save the money by not purchasing a Cosworth set.

esfourteen 12-20-2012 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by elliotty (Post 2069290)
Excellent, good to know! Are the stock gaskets up to the task? I would love to save the money by not purchasing a Cosworth set.

for sure, they are multi layer steel gaskets and with the ARP L19 head studs you won't see those lifting

elliotty 12-20-2012 10:12 AM

Thanks for the input. Are you sticking with the 340LPH fuel pump? What injectors?

I am hoping to go with ID1000s and tune on E85. I think I'll need a dual pump setup.

esfourteen 12-20-2012 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by elliotty (Post 2069329)
Thanks for the input. Are you sticking with the 340LPH fuel pump? What injectors?

I am hoping to go with ID1000s and tune on E85. I think I'll need a dual pump setup.

I'm only going for 600-650whp on high boost, so 850cc and the 340lph pump will do the trick.

elliotty 12-20-2012 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2069382)
I'm only going for 600-650whp on high boost, so 850cc and the 340lph pump will do the trick.

Realistically, that is my goal as well. Maybe ~700whp on E85. I plan to have a 93 octane tune for when E85 is unavailable.

I really like to CJM twin pump, but it is pretty expensive. Might have to bite the bullet!

Mr.Squeeze 12-21-2012 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by elliotty (Post 2069387)
Realistically, that is my goal as well. Maybe ~700whp on E85. I plan to have a 93 octane tune for when E85 is unavailable.

I really like to CJM twin pump, but it is pretty expensive. Might have to bite the bullet!



Hell yeah it's very expensive I have it and in order to make it work you need all of this a complete fuel system.

GTM Motorsports*::*FUEL SYSTEM*::*GTM STAGE 5 FUEL SYSTEM

1000 CC injetors is cutting it close for 700whp on E-85 I had a nice conversation with the guys from ID. It is something that I looked into E85 uses so much fuel that they would be close to max at 700whp. The next size up is 2000cc and I have been told not to try that with uprev.

elliotty 12-21-2012 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 2070818)
Hell yeah it's very expensive I have it and in order to make it work you need all of this a complete fuel system.

GTM Motorsports*::*FUEL SYSTEM*::*GTM STAGE 5 FUEL SYSTEM

1000 CC injetors is cutting it close for 700whp on E-85 I had a nice conversation with the guys from ID. It is something that I looked into E85 uses so much fuel that they would be close to max at 700whp. The next size up is 2000cc and I have been told not to try that with uprev.

I was looking at the Stage 5 setup...talk about not cheap! Very nice setup though.

I am a little worried that the ID1000s could max out with E85, but I think my Stage 2 turbos would get to their limit of efficiency before that. What do you think? I don't think I want to upgrade the turbos at this point, just safely get the most out of the Stage 2 kit on 93 and E85.

Mr.Squeeze 12-21-2012 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by elliotty (Post 2070878)
I was looking at the Stage 5 setup...talk about not cheap! Very nice setup though.

I am a little worried that the ID1000s could max out with E85, but I think my Stage 2 turbos would get to their limit of efficiency before that. What do you think? I don't think I want to upgrade the turbos at this point, just safely get the most out of the Stage 2 kit on 93 and E85.



If you want the CJM twin pump you have no choice put to go with the stage 5 fuel system. I learned this the hard way the twin pumps are not just made to drop in you have to upgrade the rest of the fuel system in order for iit to work.

Your going to be cutting it close with the 1000cc's and stage 2 turbos would be at there limit's that's what I think. The thing is we dont have enough data to go off of not many built motor TT370z/G37's out there.

elperuano 12-21-2012 11:37 AM

Definitely looking forward to ur build eliotty. I have the stage 2 also and I'm wondering if that will be the weak point if I build the motor. I know the manufacturer says "700 hp" but I'd like to see real experience cuz we all know manufacturer inflate numbers. I'm trying to figure out how much I can get outta em on pump gas n maybe meth. I'd rather not go the e85 route.

elliotty 12-21-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 2071348)
Definitely looking forward to ur build eliotty. I have the stage 2 also and I'm wondering if that will be the weak point if I build the motor. I know the manufacturer says "700 hp" but I'd like to see real experience cuz we all know manufacturer inflate numbers. I'm trying to figure out how much I can get outta em on pump gas n maybe meth. I'd rather not go the e85 route.

Might take me some time to get there, but I am going to try! I was thinking about going with Meth as well, but it is a little more complicated and adds up quickly when you go with a good setup and fail safe device. I think a built motor and supporting modifications to get the full power out of the Stage 2 will be perfect...for now at least!

On another note, have any of you guys had any experience with the Kenne Bell Boost-A-Pumps? I see on some of the other forums guys are running them to avoid the dual pump setups. DW shows pretty good flow rates with their DW 301 pump combined with higher voltage.

SurfDog 03-25-2013 01:09 PM

subd thanks guys

tower74 03-25-2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 2070818)
Hell yeah it's very expensive I have it and in order to make it work you need all of this a complete fuel system.

GTM Motorsports*::*FUEL SYSTEM*::*GTM STAGE 5 FUEL SYSTEM

1000 CC injetors is cutting it close for 700whp on E-85 I had a nice conversation with the guys from ID. It is something that I looked into E85 uses so much fuel that they would be close to max at 700whp. The next size up is 2000cc and I have been told not to try that with uprev.

That's what I'm buying along with the 4.2L, stage 4 turbos, clutch etc. Someone gotta try and catch you!! I'm hoping to have their quote soon on how much everything is going to run me. Go big or go home, right.

theDreamer 03-25-2013 01:27 PM

Currently working on a new thread with all components on the market for you guys wanting to build the motor & go big. :)

DIGItonium 03-25-2013 01:29 PM

This is my engine build status at the moment:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/29269864.jpg

theDreamer 03-25-2013 01:32 PM

Digi you are going to hate me in a few then, you can build your wishlist though. ;)

DIGItonium 03-25-2013 06:56 PM

Haha yea... aww man remote link fail on the image. Hope you pulled the link haha.

Can't wait to see you push more than 400whp. 450 whp is still too easy :)

theDreamer 03-25-2013 07:26 PM

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...omponents.html

The above link is to catalog engine components & upgrades and new products as they come available, still a work in progress.
I am good at 400HP, my main objective is cooling & aero right now, but if I can increase TQ I will do it.

Mr.Squeeze 03-25-2013 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tower74 (Post 2232237)
That's what I'm buying along with the 4.2L, stage 4 turbos, clutch etc. Someone gotta try and catch you!! I'm hoping to have their quote soon on how much everything is going to run me. Go big or go home, right.


Lol that's right man go big or go home.

Stage 4 GT3076 That would be nice make sure you get the .86 A/R I regret not getting that on with my turbos.

I am switching them out though to the .86 need more top end power :driving:

tower74 03-25-2013 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 2233211)
Lol that's right man go big or go home.

Stage 4 GT3076 That would be nice make sure you get the .86 A/R I regret not getting that on with my turbos.

I am switching them out though to the .86 need more top end power :driving:

I've talked with Mike at GTM and he is suppose to be getting me everything together to reach my 700+hp goal. Trust me I loved the FI kit and the boosted performance but I've got to go with the experience on this build. After my last headache of a turbo system, not again.
Now I just need to buy a years supply of ramen noodles and I'm set.:tup:

Ron 04-07-2013 01:17 PM

sweet thread Phuong!

<--quietly steals all info


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