GTM issues

Cmike2780 · 09-26-2012, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

That's not true at all. Contracts are helpful in making things more clear cut in potential legal proceedings, but you ABSOLUTELY maintain a right to demand anything that was agreed to or implied
in a verbal contract

I'm not about to spar with you on this one. If you don't like what I have say, just ignore me. All I'm saying is that a verbal agreement is a lot harder prove, especially if the opposing side has physical evidence against you. You can demand all you want, but legal contracts are black and white, hard evidence that will supercede any verbal or gentlemen's agreement. I'm not saying a verbal agreement doesn't have merit. The problem is, People lie, even under oath. Contracts are there to protect the seller AND consumer. There's are reason why you normally wouldn't buy a house or a new car with only verbal agreements and a briefcase full of cash. Why should spending $30k worth of work be any different?

I'm also not a lawyer, but I did watch a whole season of law & order over the summer ....and I use to watch the people's court.

AK370Z · 09-27-2012, 01:11 AM

Dear OP and Sam,
you guys need to take this case and fight it outside the forum in a legal court. It's too late for us to do anything. I don't know who's telling the truth and who's lying, but I do know there are enough evidence in this thread to create a case for our court system. Unless you guys contact each other in private and come to a mutual agreement/deal, there's not much we can do at this point. It's too late. Also, the fact both of you guys mentioned attorneys, I'd be very careful what you guys disclose in these public forums. It can come back and bite you in the butt. I am sorry OP that you had to go through all that stuff but your statement or story is unclear and doesn't stack up too strong against those emails. Sam on the other hand have those time stamped emails but we really don't know what happened at his garage. We can play "Judge Judy" all day and pretend to solve the case here (on the forum) but that won't benefit anyone. It'll only cause more drama and arguments among members who has no involvement in this case. To both of you, please take my suggestion and take this case outside the forum to a legal court.

Thanks

AK

theaudir8fan · 09-27-2012, 01:41 AM

Coming from a completely unbiased point of view, this is a lose lose situation for both parties, no one will walk away victorious, just trying to get the compensation that they think is fair. Speaking from personal experience, GTM builds good kits that is well designed which is why i bought one, but my experience dealing with Sam was also less then satisfactory.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK370Z

Dear OP and Sam,
you guys need to take this case and fight it outside the forum in a legal court. It's too late for us to do anything. I don't know who's telling the truth and who's lying, but I do know there are enough evidence in this thread to create a case for our court system. Unless you guys contact each other in private and come to a mutual agreement/deal, there's not much we can do at this point. It's too late. Also, the fact both of you guys mentioned attorneys, I'd be very careful what you guys disclose in these public forums. It can come back and bite you in the butt. I am sorry OP that you had to go through all that stuff but your statement or story is unclear and doesn't stack up too strong against those emails. Sam on the other hand have those time stamped emails but we really don't know what happened at his garage. We can play "Judge Judy" all day and pretend to solve the case here (on the forum) but that won't benefit anyone. It'll only cause more drama and arguments among members who has no involvement in this case. To both of you, please take my suggestion and take this case outside the forum to a legal court.

Thanks

AK

This is very fair and great advise for both parties, I'm sure the fault never lies solely on one side

edub370 · 09-27-2012, 10:28 AM

spawn350 · 09-27-2012, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK370Z

Dear OP and Sam,
you guys need to take this case and fight it outside the forum in a legal court. It's too late for us to do anything. I don't know who's telling the truth and who's lying, but I do know there are enough evidence in this thread to create a case for our court system. Unless you guys contact each other in private and come to a mutual agreement/deal, there's not much we can do at this point. It's too late. Also, the fact both of you guys mentioned attorneys, I'd be very careful what you guys disclose in these public forums. It can come back and bite you in the butt. I am sorry OP that you had to go through all that stuff but your statement or story is unclear and doesn't stack up too strong against those emails. Sam on the other hand have those time stamped emails but we really don't know what happened at his garage. We can play "Judge Judy" all day and pretend to solve the case here (on the forum) but that won't benefit anyone. It'll only cause more drama and arguments among members who has no involvement in this case. To both of you, please take my suggestion and take this case outside the forum to a legal court.

Thanks

AK

I agree. I found it important to share my experience with other folks that might be considering options for what to do with their money. I can only speak for myself, but I worked incredibly hard for my money and would want to hear feedback, positive and negative, from customers and vendors to make the best decision with my $ and vehicle.

I have time stamped emails as well, but didn't feel it was worth the work to paste them in here. I will present them in court, but as you say - the members of this forum aren't the jury and no resolution will be found here. I have received numerous PMs thanking me for speaking up, and others asking for details which I have provided. I feel that I did the right thing by speaking up, and stand by that decision.

falconfixer · 09-27-2012, 07:27 AM

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