Recommended supercharger setup?

2011 Nismo#91 · 09-07-2012, 02:24 PM

If it were my money, and eventually it will be. I would go for GTM. Their knowledge and service is great. And Sam is very dedicated to helping our community out.

Mike@GTM · 09-07-2012, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANMVQ

did not even want to reply to Sam but what ever, There are no lies in my statements, the 352WHP was NO TUNE. their tune. I'm glad you have a SC kit for us and was happy you tired to help me on the phone. Really I have NEVER once told someone Stillen was better than GTM just another option, Just cause the service sux and there are never on here to say anything is their choice, Remember when I wanted to buy your kit, Almost bought it with you on the phone, The carb thing and dealer warrenty thing, where reasons I did not, Just saying people have options other than your kit, you have a lot of cluot on here, All these guys run you kit , YES it makes good power but just casue someone else, (ME) doesnt and has different opions I get put out there and thats cool, I'm a big boy I can handle it. But we should try to keep the OP thread on topic, He was asking for REAL advice I was trying to help. Funny how you took offense to it. EH it is what it is,

I think you are missing the point of Sam's post. You are misleading people with your statements. That's the bottom line.

We have nothing against sharing experiences honestly and factually, in fact, we encourage it. The problem we have with what you keep posting is that you continuously portray your setup as the best thing since sliced bread when you have previously stated the exact opposite. Take a look at the posts by some of the other Stillen kit owners: they're not wearing rose colored glasses and painting it as something it isn't.

Also, what do you call a statement that is not factual with the intent to mislead your audience? I'll give you a hint: it starts with the letter "L", includes two vowels and is three letters long. Remember, a rose by any other name is still a rose.

Again, you just can't help yourself as in the same line you say the following:

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMNVQ

There are no lies in my statements, the 352WHP was NO TUNE. their tune.

Seriously? What is that supposed to mean? It's one or the other, it can't be both.

ANMVQ · 09-07-2012, 03:20 PM

Hi Mike, Thanx for the post, The 352 WHP was on Stillens "CAN" tune the 412 WHP was after my custom tune.

And please show me where I said my kit was the best thing since sliced bread? If it was I would not have changed the pulleys, Upgraded the SC impeller wheel and would not have bought I huge front mount style heat exchanger and UPREV MAF's. An how am I miss leading, By saying my opions.. Just curious I still have not said BUY STILLEN not GTM.

OH wait on guy who was in CA and is overly worried about the Carb thing.

Again try to remember I LIKE the GTM kit never bashed it NEVER said it SUX, NEVER Said Stillens is better, IT just one someone else on here says" GTM IS GOD" I have to say well there is another choice thats all.. My overal experience is EH to say the best,

Go way back to when I frist got it and the car would not start, Hot start isseus,

Lets rest this. Thank you
Yes there are issue with the Stillen kit, Just like a think there are somethings with yours I'm not comfortable with. But that what makes the world turn isnt it? Again NOT BASHING or misleading anyone,.

weiboy718 · 09-07-2012, 03:30 PM

Anmvq.

You did say that! Especially over at myg37. Need me to dig it up for you

ZKraken22 · 09-07-2012, 04:13 PM

Seriously? This is not the tread to be bashing each other. fact is anmvq gave his advice to OP, that advice is for Op to interpret on rather or not it's factual.
Sam said what he had to say because thats the company he works for, his product, whatever. But everyone else just needs to shut up or go start your own thread or message each other... whatever. No need for this and no one needs to protect GTM or Stillen especially if you don't have that product.
Give your Advice to OP and move on.
If trolls come on this forum and see's this BS that's embarrassing or even new guy's joining this forum seeing this type of bashing.
like my father always told me TAKE IT OUT SIDE!
Please no one else make another "what SC system is better" or "which should i go with"

EVOHUNTER · 09-07-2012, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@GTM

If you read Sam's post, you would plainly see that he said that there is one engine failure with our supercharger kit that we know of. We never said what you are implying. I invite you to read a little more carefully before jumping to conclusions and making incorrect statements when the facts are right in front of you.

Ok, ive read every post on this thread. What im saying : how can u prove his facts are real or fake. You cant. how do u know he doesnt have friends with gtm kits have blown up. you dont know that. You guys are calling him a liar, on facts you dont even have. He never once said your kit was bad, or unreliable. What give you the right to say his facts are all untrue? Mike said theres only one kit that he knows of, so what about the ones he doesnt know about?

luigi90210 · 09-07-2012, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM

You have completely lost any credibility here because you are willing to do anything and say anything to support your point. You are willing to make things up and lie to mislead people with your statements...especially when it comes to people that are looking for unbiased opinions. Your view is so skewed and far removed from reality it is frightening.

Here's an example:

Your statement today:

Your statement 6 months ago:

from this thread you started: Stillen service reveiw .BAD

Here's your dyno graph before the tune and here's your dyno graph after the tune and this is from your own posting:

Keep in mind that you are always on a load bearing dyno which can have too many variables and allows the operator to make the numbers higher or lower at a whim. You have lost your mind so much that you have stated that a Dynojet number is inflated numbers. Keep in mind that the Dynojet is the industry standard dyno since you can't mess with the numbers and the car will read the same Dynojet to Dynojet. They are 100% consistent every time.

Then you stoop to a new low by making stuff up and stating that there are multiple blown engines on our GTM Supercharger kit. Please enlighten me and list and backup your statement.

The only failure I am aware of is the one in Saudi Arabia when it was 140 degree weather while he was racing an AMG C63 in the desert at over 180kph...before he had gone through the verification and data logging process or dyno testing to ensure the AFR was spot on. Besides, if you are planning on going 180kph in 50 degree celsius engine, a stock engine simply cannot take it. Furthermore, this guy is so dissatisfied with our kit that he is buying our GTM 4.2L Stroker Long Block, GTM Stage 4 Transmission, GTM Stage 3 Supercharger Upgrade, GTM Return Fuel System, and our GTM Direct Port Water/Methanol Injection system.

In closing, I really don't enjoy doing this to you or anyone for that matter. You have called me for advice, I have tried to help you over the phone with some input even though you are not our customer. You just leave me with no choice.

To the OP, I'm sorry to ruin your thread. There is some good information on here that will help you make a good decision. Here are some dyno graphs of both the Stillen Kit and our GTM Kit on the same car on the same dyno. What you will notice is that our kit is superior in all aspects straight out of the box. The dyno graphs below speak volumes.

Sam

Thanks sam for the info, I have always been interested in the GTM kit but because of carb laws, its not my preferred choice.
i know i have a few years before i have to smog but when that time comes i dont want to get flagged by my tester.

Oh I was wondering if i could inquire some information about the 4.5L stroker kit as well, I was thinking I could do that instead of going with a supercharger and make about the same power, im just looking for a little more omph in my car, nothing to crazy but i couldnt find anything on google about the kit aside from the gtm website and some youtube videos of a 350z with the 4.5L stroker kit and twin turbos

I am just wondering if it will pass a sniffer test if i have cats installed, how reliable is it, and if i can put boltons on the car(like a new exhaust, downpipes, heads, cams, ect.) and i am wondering if that would be a better way about going and building my car instead of going with a supercharger?

Thanks
luigi90210

luigi90210 · 09-07-2012, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZKraken22

Seriously? This is not the tread to be bashing each other. fact is anmvq gave his advice to OP, that advice is for Op to interpret on rather or not it's factual.
Sam said what he had to say because thats the company he works for, his product, whatever. But everyone else just needs to shut up or go start your own thread or message each other... whatever. No need for this and no one needs to protect GTM or Stillen especially if you don't have that product.
Give your Advice to OP and move on.
If trolls come on this forum and see's this BS that's embarrassing or even new guy's joining this forum seeing this type of bashing.
like my father always told me TAKE IT OUT SIDE!
Please no one else make another "what SC system is better" or "which should i go with"

^THIS

I am a new car enthusiast and I really dont know much about cars, I know how a supercharger and turbos work, I kind of know how an engine works and i can change oil and stuff but thats about the extent to my knowledge

I really want to learn more about whats the best way to modify my car and do it the right way instead of cutting corners and having my engine blow because i was over boosting the car or lack of cooling, ect.

Mike@GTM · 09-07-2012, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER

Ok, ive read every post on this thread. What im saying : how can u prove his facts are real or fake. You cant. how do u know he doesnt have friends with gtm kits have blown up. you dont know that. You guys are calling him a liar, on facts you dont even have. He never once said your kit was bad, or unreliable. What give you the right to say his facts are all untrue? Mike said theres only one kit that he knows of, so what about the ones he doesnt know about?

OK. First of all, it is impossible to prove the nonexistence of something that does not exist. It is not up to us to prove that it does not exist, it is up to you to prove that it does. Therefore, your argument is invalid.

Second of all, when AMNVQ stated that there exists a handful of blown engines (which btw, implies more than one) and there is only one that we know of, we asked for him to back up his claim that there exists more than one. He did not/could not.

If you can't back up your claim that something exists with proof, then your claim is false. Here's an example. I claim that unicorns exist. Unless I can furnish proof that unicorns exist, the statement is false. While I could argue that it may be possible that there exists a unicorn on some far away planet in another galaxy, I cannot substantiate my claim and therefore my statement that unicorns exist is not true because I do not know that it is true nor can I prove it.

Furthermore, we pointed out that his statement of "I made 412whp out of the box" was false due to his previous statement of "I only made 352whp and the Stillen tune sucks". That does not mean that we unequivocally implied that everything he said is a lie. We only said that that particular statement is a lie and we have given proof to that effect.

Now, while it is true that his credibility is damaged as a result of his lie, that does not necessarily mean that everything he says is a lie. Only that everything he says should be examined more closely and the question of whether or not he is telling the truth has been raised.

As someone in this thread pointed out earlier, anyone reading any of this should most definitely determine whether what they read is true or not. However, had we not stepped in to correct a false assertion, the casual reader would assume that everything written is true and the falsehood would continue to be disseminated.

Mr.Squeeze · 09-07-2012, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luigi90210

Thanks sam for the info, I have always been interested in the GTM kit but because of carb laws, its not my preferred choice.
i know i have a few years before i have to smog but when that time comes i dont want to get flagged by my tester.

Oh I was wondering if i could inquire some information about the 4.5L stroker kit as well, I was thinking I could do that instead of going with a supercharger and make about the same power, im just looking for a little more omph in my car, nothing to crazy but i couldnt find anything on google about the kit aside from the gtm website and some youtube videos of a 350z with the 4.5L stroker kit and twin turbos

I am just wondering if it will pass a sniffer test if i have cats installed, how reliable is it, and if i can put boltons on the car(like a new exhaust, downpipes, heads, cams, ect.) and i am wondering if that would be a better way about going and building my car instead of going with a supercharger?

Thanks
luigi90210

The stroker kit will cost you more than the supcharger and I doubt you would even match the power output.

SS_Firehawk · 09-07-2012, 05:11 PM

Sounds like Mike is educated in the philosophical use of argument and practical logic

This thread is mightily entertaining.

luigi90210 · 09-07-2012, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@GTM

OK. First of all, it is impossible to prove the nonexistence of something that does not exist. It is not up to us to prove that it does not exist, it is up to you to prove that it does. Therefore, your argument is invalid.

Second of all, when AMNVQ stated that there exists a handful of blown engines (which btw, implies more than one) and there is only one that we know of, we asked for him to back up his claim that there exists more than one. He did not/could not.

If you can't back up your claim that something exists with proof, then your claim is false. Here's an example. I claim that unicorns exist. Unless I can furnish proof that unicorns exist, the statement is false. While I could argue that it may be possible that there exists a unicorn on some far away planet in another galaxy, I cannot substantiate my claim and therefore my statement that unicorns exist is not true because I do not know that it is true nor can I prove it.

Furthermore, we pointed out that his statement of "I made 412whp out of the box" was false due to his previous statement of "I only made 352whp and the Stillen tune sucks". That does not mean that we unequivocally implied that everything he said is a lie. We only said that that particular statement is a lie and we have given proof to that effect.

Now, while it is true that his credibility is damaged as a result of his lie, that does not necessarily mean that everything he says is a lie. Only that everything he says should be examined more closely and the question of whether or not he is telling the truth has been raised.

As someone in this thread pointed out earlier, anyone reading any of this should most definitely determine whether what they read is true or not. However, had we not stepped in to correct a false assertion, the casual reader would assume that everything written is true and the falsehood would continue to be disseminated.

its as my favorite character Gin Rummy has said "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of of absence" and that "there are known knowns and known unknowns, but there are also unknown unknowns, [things] that we dont know that we dont know"

but in all seriousness, if GTM doesnt know about the blown engines than how will they ever know unless it is brought to their attention in detail

im pretty sure there are unspoken stories of engines blowing with the stillen kit as well as the gtm kit, heck im pretty sure there are unspoken stories of people blowing their engines while its stock, but if no one knows about them than no one will ever know if it truly existed or not

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze

The stroker kit will cost you more than the supcharger and I doubt you would even match the power output.

you have a point there.... im pretty sure the stroker kit would offer the least bang for my buck but i dont want to close off any options

Lug · 09-07-2012, 11:02 PM

I'd like to take this time to remind everyone to reread the 2nd post in this thread.

Whose a prophet?

I'm a Prophet, that's who!

ZKraken22 · 09-07-2012, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze

The stroker kit will cost you more than the supcharger and I doubt you would even match the power output.

why do you doubt it?

MMC Racing · 09-07-2012, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANMVQ

OH wait on guy who was in CA and is overly worried about the Carb thing.

The availability or non-availability of an aftermarket car part does not worry me. Who would be worried about such a thing? I realize you are in full retreat after being called out. This is the time to either stand your ground or fold - not to deflect.

09-07-2012, 03:20 PM	#48 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 19	Hi Mike, Thanx for the post, The 352 WHP was on Stillens "CAN" tune the 412 WHP was after my custom tune. And please show me where I said my kit was the best thing since sliced bread? If it was I would not have changed the pulleys, Upgraded the SC impeller wheel and would not have bought I huge front mount style heat exchanger and UPREV MAF's. An how am I miss leading, By saying my opions.. Just curious I still have not said BUY STILLEN not GTM. OH wait on guy who was in CA and is overly worried about the Carb thing. Again try to remember I LIKE the GTM kit never bashed it NEVER said it SUX, NEVER Said Stillens is better, IT just one someone else on here says" GTM IS GOD" I have to say well there is another choice thats all.. My overal experience is EH to say the best, Go way back to when I frist got it and the car would not start, Hot start isseus, Lets rest this. Thank you Yes there are issue with the Stillen kit, Just like a think there are somethings with yours I'm not comfortable with. But that what makes the world turn isnt it? Again NOT BASHING or misleading anyone,. __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

09-07-2012, 04:13 PM	#50 (permalink)
ZKraken22 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 1,115 Drives: 10 Nissan 370Z 7AT Rep Power: 16	Seriously? This is not the tread to be bashing each other. fact is anmvq gave his advice to OP, that advice is for Op to interpret on rather or not it's factual. Sam said what he had to say because thats the company he works for, his product, whatever. But everyone else just needs to shut up or go start your own thread or message each other... whatever. No need for this and no one needs to protect GTM or Stillen especially if you don't have that product. Give your Advice to OP and move on. If trolls come on this forum and see's this BS that's embarrassing or even new guy's joining this forum seeing this type of bashing. like my father always told me TAKE IT OUT SIDE! Please no one else make another "what SC system is better" or "which should i go with" __________________ Litespeed Racing Titanium Cold Air intake// GT Haus Axle// GarageLine combo// Nismo sway bars// Nismo Spoiler // Berk TP's

09-07-2012, 05:11 PM	#56 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	Sounds like Mike is educated in the philosophical use of argument and practical logic This thread is mightily entertaining. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

09-07-2012, 11:02 PM	#58 (permalink)
Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 19	I'd like to take this time to remind everyone to reread the 2nd post in this thread. Whose a prophet? I'm a Prophet, that's who! __________________ keep Chubbs in your pocket - Chubbs

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