Originally Posted by Nissan370 (Post 1910064)

If I could do it over I would have went with gtm no question
There is no growth with the stillen kit without massive modification of the kit
Not get me wrong it's a ok kit for a set. Hp range about 400 or so but once you start trying to get more power you run into many road blocks one being that
Weak water-air cooler setup for starters my car was pulling timing because the intake air was not getting cool enuff

Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 1910042)

is it carb approved?

it isnt a big deal if it isnt but since i live in california, anything carb approved will always have a 1up over the other kits

ill check that one out though, thanks

Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 1908397)

You know something you are so FULL of SHAT, I'm really getting sick and tired of your crap, REALLY I said on the Stillen tune I made 412WHP??( Really read my SIG?) I did sa- out of the box , Meaning there stock pulleys and SC ( The question was about the Stillen parts not the tune) Give me a Fn break man really find something else to do with your life.. An BTW if I had hours to search the internet I could fine 3 Blown motors on you kits, But that would be also if you hadnt had them closed or removed from the forums. I have been on here and myg37+350z for a long time and have read at least 3, Why else would I say so??? Do I hate you guys over there. Didnt but( DO NOW) Do I work for Stillen ?? NOPE?? Dont even really like them that much.. IS their kit the "BEST thing since sliced bread"? NOPE thats why I'm making changes.. I really was not going to post in here again because this thread is getting cluttered with crap and the OP will have issues making his choice. LAST post in here for me= Like anyone cares anyway. But all the GTM fan boys and Sam and Mike will be happy.

"Their tune is the issue, "My kit out of the box 9-10 PSI made 412 WHP, Advertised power" UM tune is mentioned NO?? Funny how you guys alwauy grab the quote after that,, OH WAIT you missed it, Didnt see it right???

Did you read the OP statment saying you have to"Over spin the SC to make the advertised power" Oh Wait you missed that also right?

BTW 3 blown motors is that big a deal out of the 100's of kits you've sold, Stop trying to sell people on you guys being perfect casue no one is.
But 3% wouldnt keep me from buying something. An we are ALL so LUCKY you stepped in and STOPPED alll these falsehoods, Wish everyone was so lucky as to have someone like YOU,,,, ' NOT

Originally Posted by silviakid02 (Post 1909936)

Holy hell! I honestly skipped page 4 and 5 of this post because, despite being in the same situation as the op on wanting a sc but liking both, I was getting pissed of reading post after post of personal attacks on one another. If this post contained half as much information as it did crying and bitching I think I could hand design my own kit! Thank you Sam for your contribution on the numbers and graphs. We are all aware that stillen has a leg up on the carb and warranty. While I'm not concerned with the carb the warranty will have some influence on my descision. Can you explain what mechanically makes your kit superior to stillen?

Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 1910243)

This kit is not carb approved, but the workmanship is really good.
JMAC put down 512whp on 93 oct at 8.0 psi i think? put 550whp at 9.4 psi?
something like that. I think overall this is the best kit out there, for parts and craftsmanship, sasha does it all himself, and hes one of the best welders ive ever seen. The install is super easy, The price is really good aswell.

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...rbo-build.html

look here ^

Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 1910243)

This kit is not carb approved, but the workmanship is really good.
JMAC put down 512whp on 93 oct at 8.0 psi i think? put 550whp at 9.4 psi?
something like that. I think overall this is the best kit out there, for parts and craftsmanship, sasha does it all himself, and hes one of the best welders ive ever seen. The install is super easy, The price is really good aswell.

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...rbo-build.html

look here ^

Originally Posted by JMac88 (Post 1910474)

This thread is full of fail. OP, all of the respected vendors have threads with lots of info in them, you really should read each one carefully as this thread is full of bad info and childish name calling.
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...ouncement.html
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...s-release.html
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...bo-system.html
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...rbo-build.html
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...ctane-7at.html
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...gle-turbo.html

Your best bet is to pick some kits that you like and to actually PM people who have the kits you are interested in. Unfortunately on this forum, if you pick a kit that someone deems to not be their choice they will jump all over you.

Originally Posted by Nissan370 (Post 1910545)

dont be fooled by carb legal dude your car will be running rich with that stillen tune
and any changing to that tune will void it
if your going to do it do it right we all know once you get a taste of power you always want a little more

i would not pay for that kit less i got a real good deal on it

hell i will be selling mine in a few months was going to work on tring to get the kit to work but i am not going to waste the money just going to pull it off the car i just dont like how hot my intake manifold is getting and thats just asking for problems down the line

the coolant tank and heat exchange it just way to small i am not going to risk the build motor i just had installed

Originally Posted by Nissan370 (Post 1910545)

dont be fooled by carb legal dude your car will be running rich with that stillen tune
and any changing to that tune will void it

Originally Posted by Mike@GTM (Post 1910381)

So, we called you out on your false claim and the best you can come back with is "you removed them from the internet"? Really? Man, not even the US Government has that kind of power. Get real.

Do you even know what "out of the box" means? When you buy a "complete" kit, install it and test it on a dyno the results are "out of the box". Not install it, test it, realize that it doesn't perform as advertised, have it custom tuned to make more power and then say "out of the box".

Seriously, you took a kit that was advertised as 515hp and when it made 100hp less than advertised, you got it tuned and then claimed that the custom tune is "out of the box". That's like saying you bought a brand new 370Z, dyno tested it, made XXX whp, custom tuned it and then say that it made YYY whp "off the showroom floor".

Also, last time I checked Stillen's website, it does not say that you have to get the car custom tuned to make their advertised horsepower.

BTW, I never claimed that we're perfect. Just that we don't ever stop trying to be better than everyone else out there. ;) So far, we're succeeding.



On the subject of mechanical differences, there are numerous points to speak on.

1) MAF Location: We use a blow through setup that reads the airflow after the supercharger and intercooler. This allows the ECU to know exactly what the air temperature is going into the engine. The ECU is then able to pull timing and add fuel if the air is too hot in order to prevent detonation from occurring. The competition placed the MAF sensors in two small diameter tubes directly in the front of the car and before the supercharger. In that configuration, the ECU is reading the coolest possible air and has no idea that the system is heat soaked. As a result, the ECU mistakenly advances ignition timing thinking that the air is nice and cool. That can and frequently does result in detonation. While the knock sensor will detect the detonation and pull timing, relying on the knock sensor to do your tuning for you is not a good way to have long engine life.

2) Belt Slip: Our kit uses the factory automatic belt tensioner to maintain optimum tension to eliminate belt slip. Our competition uses a manual belt tensioner and has had belt slip issues.

3) Intercooler: Our kit uses a large air-to-air intercooler mounted in the front of the car. The advantage of an air-to-air intercooler compared the competition's water-to-air intercooler is that an air-to-air intercooler is much lighter in total system weight. This is due to the water-to-air intercooler's need to have water in the system, a separate reservoir for water (for additional heat capacity) and a pump to move the water through the system. A disadvantage of water to air also lies in its advantage. Water is an excellent conductor of heat and a high heat capacity. Heat capacity is a double edged sword in that once is has a lot of heat in it, it is challenging to remove it. Water-to-air intercoolers are notorious for heat soak: when the system is saturated with heat and cannot dissipate it fast enough. This is a huge disadvantage on a race track when running long sessions as the system will heat soak after a few laps. While it is true that an air-to-air system is also vulnerable to heat soak, it's lower heat capacity enables it to dissipate heat faster once the thermal load has been stopped.

4) Power Expansion: We support our supercharger kit and offer the means for people to increase their power output with our system should they desire more. The competition does not.




ROFLMAO!!

Seriously, the correct information is in the first post in the link you provided. There's no need for you to think...just read and parrot back the right information.