Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 1910243)

This kit is not carb approved, but the workmanship is really good.
JMAC put down 512whp on 93 oct at 8.0 psi i think? put 550whp at 9.4 psi?
something like that. I think overall this is the best kit out there, for parts and craftsmanship, sasha does it all himself, and hes one of the best welders ive ever seen. The install is super easy, The price is really good aswell.

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...rbo-build.html

look here ^

Originally Posted by JMac88 (Post 1910474)

This thread is full of fail. OP, all of the respected vendors have threads with lots of info in them, you really should read each one carefully as this thread is full of bad info and childish name calling.
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...ouncement.html
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...s-release.html
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...bo-system.html
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...rbo-build.html
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...ctane-7at.html
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...gle-turbo.html

Your best bet is to pick some kits that you like and to actually PM people who have the kits you are interested in. Unfortunately on this forum, if you pick a kit that someone deems to not be their choice they will jump all over you.

Originally Posted by Nissan370 (Post 1910545)

dont be fooled by carb legal dude your car will be running rich with that stillen tune
and any changing to that tune will void it
if your going to do it do it right we all know once you get a taste of power you always want a little more

i would not pay for that kit less i got a real good deal on it

hell i will be selling mine in a few months was going to work on tring to get the kit to work but i am not going to waste the money just going to pull it off the car i just dont like how hot my intake manifold is getting and thats just asking for problems down the line

the coolant tank and heat exchange it just way to small i am not going to risk the build motor i just had installed

Originally Posted by Nissan370 (Post 1910545)

dont be fooled by carb legal dude your car will be running rich with that stillen tune
and any changing to that tune will void it

Originally Posted by Mike@GTM (Post 1910381)

So, we called you out on your false claim and the best you can come back with is "you removed them from the internet"? Really? Man, not even the US Government has that kind of power. Get real.

Do you even know what "out of the box" means? When you buy a "complete" kit, install it and test it on a dyno the results are "out of the box". Not install it, test it, realize that it doesn't perform as advertised, have it custom tuned to make more power and then say "out of the box".

Seriously, you took a kit that was advertised as 515hp and when it made 100hp less than advertised, you got it tuned and then claimed that the custom tune is "out of the box". That's like saying you bought a brand new 370Z, dyno tested it, made XXX whp, custom tuned it and then say that it made YYY whp "off the showroom floor".

Also, last time I checked Stillen's website, it does not say that you have to get the car custom tuned to make their advertised horsepower.

BTW, I never claimed that we're perfect. Just that we don't ever stop trying to be better than everyone else out there. ;) So far, we're succeeding.



On the subject of mechanical differences, there are numerous points to speak on.

1) MAF Location: We use a blow through setup that reads the airflow after the supercharger and intercooler. This allows the ECU to know exactly what the air temperature is going into the engine. The ECU is then able to pull timing and add fuel if the air is too hot in order to prevent detonation from occurring. The competition placed the MAF sensors in two small diameter tubes directly in the front of the car and before the supercharger. In that configuration, the ECU is reading the coolest possible air and has no idea that the system is heat soaked. As a result, the ECU mistakenly advances ignition timing thinking that the air is nice and cool. That can and frequently does result in detonation. While the knock sensor will detect the detonation and pull timing, relying on the knock sensor to do your tuning for you is not a good way to have long engine life.

2) Belt Slip: Our kit uses the factory automatic belt tensioner to maintain optimum tension to eliminate belt slip. Our competition uses a manual belt tensioner and has had belt slip issues.

3) Intercooler: Our kit uses a large air-to-air intercooler mounted in the front of the car. The advantage of an air-to-air intercooler compared the competition's water-to-air intercooler is that an air-to-air intercooler is much lighter in total system weight. This is due to the water-to-air intercooler's need to have water in the system, a separate reservoir for water (for additional heat capacity) and a pump to move the water through the system. A disadvantage of water to air also lies in its advantage. Water is an excellent conductor of heat and a high heat capacity. Heat capacity is a double edged sword in that once is has a lot of heat in it, it is challenging to remove it. Water-to-air intercoolers are notorious for heat soak: when the system is saturated with heat and cannot dissipate it fast enough. This is a huge disadvantage on a race track when running long sessions as the system will heat soak after a few laps. While it is true that an air-to-air system is also vulnerable to heat soak, it's lower heat capacity enables it to dissipate heat faster once the thermal load has been stopped.

4) Power Expansion: We support our supercharger kit and offer the means for people to increase their power output with our system should they desire more. The competition does not.




ROFLMAO!!

Seriously, the correct information is in the first post in the link you provided. There's no need for you to think...just read and parrot back the right information.

Originally Posted by Alchemy (Post 1912392)

Ah, the bickering and BS in this thread is the exact reason I dont come around too much anymore. :facepalm:


There is no reason to ever bash GTM. While I dont personally run any of their parts I know for a fact they are top notch.

Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 1911236)

i got a better idea... lets all argue in circles some more

Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 1913333)

whats that?

Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 1912965)

I personally don't mind the bashing, as long as I'm getting some info than I don't care to be honest.

Although I'm still torn between the kits, if gtm can't get carb approved when I'm ready to buy, I have no other choice but to get the stillen kit it will be less hassle from cops and I don't have to worry about failing smog checks.

Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 1913421)

a square

Originally Posted by MMC Racing (Post 1916271)

Ah, the inevitable discontent of the old guard. As predictable as younger people joining as a car gets cheaper. They improve the forum by complaining how the forum has deteriorated.

Originally Posted by MMC Racing (Post 1916271)

Ah, the inevitable discontent of the old guard. As predictable as younger people joining as a car gets cheaper. They improve the forum by complaining how the forum has deteriorated.

Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 1916498)

This guy.... Says the childish guy who hassles a certain company like a little child...:facepalm:

Originally Posted by MMC Racing (Post 1916515)

Sam could just step up and answer the question. That is what a mature business owner would do.

Originally Posted by superchargedg (Post 1914799)

As for you saying you dont mind the bashing, most of us mature adults DO. That is not what the forum is for and especially NOT WHAT THE TECH SECTION IS FOR! Now that the car has gone down in value and the younger crowd can afford it this forum is going to sh1t and becoming my350.com. Sad really, I remember when the tech section was full of polite, informative people. Sam and GTM have been absolutly wonderful to the community and done everything in their power to produce high quality products for our platform. Something MANY companies have failed to step up and deliver on.


100% agree with this

Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 1917973)

Lots of miss information swirling out there and I wouldn't trust a vendor who posts disparaging remarks towards potential customer on forums any further than I could throw em.

My stock Stillen with 8psi pulley, injectors, fuel pump etc makes 437 WHP on 100 octane gas. It runs like a champ. No belt slip, no rich or lean running, no detonation. One of the cleanest best kits I have ever seen. Others are a bit of a hodgepodge and are not CARB legal and they aren't willing to warranty kit like Stillen. Win to Stillen.

Hoopa Hillclimb 2012 - 370Z - YouTube

Mmmmmm sound so sweeeet

YouTube - Hoopa hillclimb 2012 - 370z



Bottom line if you are not worried about CARB you'd be silly not to go turbo on our cars? A non smog legal SC is a waste of space under the hood.

Originally Posted by FLYZ (Post 2203290)

I have been considering going the forced induction route, and considering I only want a moderate performance increase, with maximum daily driveability, the GTM supercharger kit was the leading option for me. (Actually, I spent a while with one of your reps on the phone just a few weeks ago.) However, I have to say this whole thread has concerned me significantly.

I have never seen a vendor get into a pissing match with a disgruntled customer in a public forum. Those discussions are meant for offline, private communications. Could you ever imagine Apple, AT&T, Nissan or any other well respected company berating their customer on an internet forum? C'mon guys; I can appreciate that you have a brand to represent here, but you don't engender a lot of confidence in your professionalism, service and subsequently products by stooping to the level of the same bashers, who (as is obvious from most responses) don't have any credibility here, anyway.

Two things sell - superior products and/or extraordinary customer service. Do your company a favor and simply address these issues a little more diplomatically next time. A simple, "We are sorry you have heard incorrect information about our products. We are unaware of any of the issues you have mentioned, and are happy to address any concerns. Here are some of our products strengths...(boilerplate)." This is how you handle idiots who don't know what they are talking about, and still come out smelling like a rose. This is the reason you don't see successful companies treating future, current or former customers like enemies.

Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2203314)

They have a bit of a history together :) Regardless, you will be hard pressed to find a supercharger kit that works as well as theirs. AMNVQ was running a Stillen kit, not the GTM. Customer, no. Previous customer, no. Previous potential customer, yes. They run a business that relies heavily on the Z/G community, disparaging or untrue remarks, or accusations weigh heavy if they don't step in and defend themselves. Just like if someone were to call you out on the forums or call u a troll or say you stole money from them, etc... You would fight to get your name clean.

My car is currently with them and I haven't had issues. Just late email replies at times.

Originally Posted by FLYZ (Post 2203377)

Actually, I have to say, no, I would not fight in the manner seen here, to keep my name clear on an internet forum. I do not believe that is the appropriate way to handle yourself. This is even more so exacerbated by the fact that I am merely an individual, not a business. I think such behavior damages a tarnished reputation more than redeems it. Superlative products speak for themselves, as will their satisfied users. Hence, the whole point of my post.

I can appreciate, as I said, that they are trying to support their business. Simply, I think they have gone about it the wrong way. If acting that way doesn't turn off other buyers, then great! They have only potentially lost one customer. If other people feel the way I do, the consequences could be far more dire than the damage from one dissenting poster with questionable credibility.

Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2203572)

90% don't feel the way you do or they wouldn't be booming with business. Your looking at this with the blinders on. In today's world, there are some shady businesses around, some major corporations (coughapplesamsungintelmicrosoftcough). GTM is at least honest about what they do, the products they sell, the support they provide, and the defensive position they take. I'd rather be aggressive than passive. Maybe we just think differently. :tiphat: