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Mike@GTM 05-15-2012 01:57 PM

So, you're trying to tell me that you would basically rather save $500 to get something like the graph you posted than get something like this?


I think the graph speaks for itself.

I agree with you that one size does not fit all...and that is why we offer so many different stages and options. People that go with our stuff can run whatever exhaust they want on both manual and automatic cars. If they want max power and go with our 3" cat-back they can do that, or use whatever off the shelf cat-back they want with whatever test pipes or HFC's they want. Internal gates or external gates, open dump or recirculating...whatever floats your boat. Not to mention that our turbo kit doesn't have to be removed to do a clutch job.

Don't get me wrong Sasha, you have clean welds and I tip my hat to you for making a viable single turbo option as a part time venture and doing a way better job of it than STS did.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 1720553)
Not really :) :

Dynosty Nissan 350Z custom single turbo vs. Forged Performance Nissan GTR E85 - YouTube

Power under the curve, I would say this is solid and comparable to a twin kit (twin scroll kit on a stock block 04 350z, on 9psi).

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...scrolldyno.jpg

As for what is good, better, best...it all depends on the driver, and what the car is being used for.


Not trying to ster things up...just saying.


G37sHKS 05-15-2012 02:21 PM

Id wait for Fast intention Twin turbo kit.

then decide from there...
AAM
GTM
Greedy
Boosted Performance
Fast Intention

Might as well wait for GTM "twin" supercharger..

Boosted Performance 05-15-2012 03:08 PM

Mike, you are comparing my stock block 04 DE dyno to a 370z dyno (because no DE has ever made 276whp on a base run) Not sure the boost on that run either. Thre is almost a 10 year time laps between these two engines.

I also think that install cost should be thrown in the mix as well, not to mention ease of maintenance. It is not just a $500 difference, and I am sure many would agree.

It would be silly to get in to an argument over the two systems, as they are very different, and each have pros and cons.

EDIT:

I think this would be a much better comparison, as the engines are the same and boost is the same:

91 Octane fuel, 9 PSI, with a temp. manual boost controller:
http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...P/dyno0004.jpg

Specs on the build aboove:

GTM Stage 2 Turn-Key Twin Turbo System
Cosworth Intake Manifold
Cosworth fuel rails
600cc injectors
GTM ECU Flash
Upgraded MAF Sensor
GTM 14" Fan kit w/ fan controller
GReddy EVO TT Exhaust
S.S. Braided vacuum lines
GTM 3" Down pipes
Defi Gauges

Credit the Cossworth IM for carrying the power better in the upper RPM's.


SOURCE: http://my350z.com/forum/shop-builds/...p-413rwtq.html

jezeka777 05-15-2012 03:12 PM

WOW i never thought that i would see such a battle and the best part is that i dont have to watch it on PPV..lol

But all joking aside.... im a poor man that loves boot and fell in love with it ever sense i super charged my 06 hyundai tiburon back in the day:ugh2:. lol.. to this date in time i have no mods on the car because i dream of having that boost feeling again.

On that note I could never see myself spending more that $5500 or even $6000 for boost as much as i would love too.

What can i possibly do or get with a budget like that???:confused:

memorylasts 05-15-2012 03:15 PM

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theDreamer 05-15-2012 03:15 PM

Best bet, focus on some smaller mods, but line them up possibly for a turbo setup in the future maybe.
Good exhaust with maybe RTP, skip a full intake and do drop ins/MAF, some brake upgrades, oil cooler and while doing all that save a bit more and maybe in the future you can do a turbo setup.

Mike@GTM 05-15-2012 03:19 PM

Of course it's silly to compare a 350Z DE to a 370Z...I was quoting your post with the DE engine. Why you would have brought up a DE motor on a VHR forum is beyond me.

Ultimately, you are right...there is no comparison between a single turbo kit and a twin turbo kit. TT wins all day long. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 1721733)
Mike, you are comparing my stock block 04 DE dyno to a 370z dyno (because no DE has ever made 276whp on a base run) Not sure the boost on that run either. Thre is almost a 10 year time laps between these two engines.

I also think that install cost should be thrown in the mix as well, not to mention ease of maintenance. It is not just a $500 difference, and I am sure many would agree.

It would be silly to get in to an argument over the two systems, as they are very different, and each have pros and cons.


Mike@GTM 05-15-2012 03:21 PM

PM sent. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jezeka777 (Post 1721737)
WOW i never thought that i would see such a battle and the best part is that i dont have to watch it on PPV..lol

But all joking aside.... im a poor man that loves boot and fell in love with it ever sense i super charged my 06 hyundai tiburon back in the day:ugh2:. lol.. to this date in time i have no mods on the car because i dream of having that boost feeling again.

On that note I could never see myself spending more that $5500 or even $6000 for boost as much as i would love too.

What can i possibly do or get with a budget like that???:confused:


jezeka777 05-15-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@GTM (Post 1721758)
PM sent. ;)

thanks just responded

Mike@GTM 05-15-2012 03:27 PM

Thank you for proving my point even more with your edit and our own graph from another forum. The TT kit is at 375ft-lbs of torque at 3500rpm...the same amount of torque as the single turbo was producing on the graph you supplied. Then the TT just continues to walk away from the single all the way to redline whereas the single falls on its face at 6k rpm. That sir, is area under the curve. Thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 1721733)
Mike, you are comparing my stock block 04 DE dyno to a 370z dyno (because no DE has ever made 276whp on a base run) Not sure the boost on that run either. Thre is almost a 10 year time laps between these two engines.

I also think that install cost should be thrown in the mix as well, not to mention ease of maintenance. It is not just a $500 difference, and I am sure many would agree.

It would be silly to get in to an argument over the two systems, as they are very different, and each have pros and cons.

EDIT:

I think this would be a much better comparison, as the engines are the same and boost is the same:

91 Octane fuel, 9 PSI, with a temp. manual boost controller:
http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...P/dyno0004.jpg

Specs on the build aboove:

GTM Stage 2 Turn-Key Twin Turbo System
Cosworth Intake Manifold
Cosworth fuel rails
600cc injectors
GTM ECU Flash
Upgraded MAF Sensor
GTM 14" Fan kit w/ fan controller
GReddy EVO TT Exhaust
S.S. Braided vacuum lines
GTM 3" Down pipes
Defi Gauges

Credit the Cossworth IM for carrying the power better in the upper RPM's.


SOURCE: GT Motorsports: Stage 2 Turn-Key DE TT kit, Cosworth, EVO TT, 433rwhp/413rwtq - MY350Z.COM Forums


Boosted Performance 05-15-2012 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@GTM (Post 1721775)
Thank you for proving my point even more with your edit and our own graph from another forum. The TT kit is at 375ft-lbs of torque at 3500rpm...the same amount of torque as the single turbo was producing on the graph you supplied. Then the TT just continues to walk away from the single all the way to redline whereas the single falls on its face at 6k rpm. That sir, is area under the curve. Thank you.

Ya, boost spikes tend to do that..:bowrofl: It falls right back to 375ft/tq at 4200rpm. I can read a dyno graph.

Look at the first (6psi) dyno in that build thread.

Anyway, there is no point to this. The customers can decide which kit better suites them, and the budget they have to work with. Both are quality kits, and capable of making more power than 98% of the guys driving these cars will ever use.

jezeka777 05-15-2012 03:40 PM

Thank you guys for the insite you both are providing.. I hope this will also help new comers decide whats the best option for him or her.

im not going to lie but a girl with a boosted car = SEX... can i get an AMEN lmao

Sysopz 05-15-2012 03:40 PM

Just curious what is the install cost of the GTM TT kit vs Boosted Performance kit?

Can both kits be uninstalled and car returned to stock just in case it needs to go back to dealer for warranty work?

What is the average professional install time of both kits?


Thanks in advance.

jezeka777 05-15-2012 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jezeka777 (Post 1721794)
im not going to lie but a girl with a boosted car = SEX... can i get an AMEN lmao

SORRY A.D.D. KICKED IN:tup:

Boosted Performance 05-15-2012 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sysopz (Post 1721795)
Just curious what is the install cost of the GTM TT kit vs Boosted Performance kit?

Can both kits be uninstalled and car returned to stock just in case it needs to go back to dealer for warranty work?

What is the average professional install time of both kits?


Thanks in advance.

I can only speak for my kit..

All of my 350z customers have installed the kit themselves (this kit is no different). The kit can easly be removed, and the car can be returned back to stock, leaving no evidence (holes, cutting..ect) of there ever being a turbo kit installed.

A person (car owner in this case) who has worked on cars, can do the install of this kit in a weekend without much trouble. A shop should be able to do it in one day or less.


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