For those of you with FI - Who's in the 10's

bullitt5897 · 12-07-2011, 01:19 AM

Who said my car was a dyno queen? we are building a widebody so I can run large enough tires to maintain traction and not run stupid camber...

For those saying that a TT370z is undrivable... I laugh at that cause when I was running the g37 at 600hp *cough* before the motor blew *cough* the car handled GREAT and was very controllable! Now my 370z I havent had much time behind the wheel yet with all the new power but I am pretty sure its going to be the same thing... in the 600 hp range = totally usable!

Now Hi HP TT cars vs. NA cars on the track is a completely different thing... You drive a hi hp car completely different than a low hp Z!!! i.e. In a hi hp car your going to murder the straight and have blistering corner entry speed at which point using a (dependent on turn type) wide tight wide line your going to brake at corner entry... coast throught the turn and hold on for dear God sake until the next turn as you approach it at light speed or plaid! lol

When comparing vehicle types or power levels you have to look at corner entry speed, mid corner speed and corner exit speed. Any competent racer will be able to maximize the power advantage and use that to overtake the lower hp vehicle!

TRUST ME! I got lapped by a 600hp Supra with a good setup on Little Tally in my 370z with track suspension! Ask anyone who tracks in the south and they will tell you Little Tally is known as a great equilizer cause its only 1.8miles long and the longest straight is about 1200ft max! There is nothing like pushing your Z to the limit to watch the other car just pull away hard out of the corners... Makes you want more POWA!

bullitt5897 · 12-07-2011, 01:20 AM

If someone has a Vbox I will do runs for you guys

I just dont like drag strips...

Red__Zed · 12-07-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ZSIZZLE

i dont understand why there is such little date on these tt builds other that dyno numbers, it seems like there are only 3 or 4 guys who take them to the track, there is no reason why these cars arent in the 10's yet and there is no reason why nobody has done 60-130 numbers either. Expecially these shops why wouldnt they advertise and show what these cars can do other than dyno??

Chasing a dyno number is easy. Backing it up is hard.

Proving what your car can do requires beefing everything up to handle the power, and even then things break. It it expensive, and you don't always get what you want. Not everyone wants to see what can actually be done...because they may not like the results.

SharpByCoop · 12-07-2011, 10:16 AM

That's what I like. Passion in conversations.

Little can I add to this conversation other than these observatioins:

Most really fast and consistent drag cars run autos. I watched a sling of RWD street Corvettes, 5.0's, and a 2010 Camaro ALL run in the low eleven and high ten area most with autos this past weekend. All but one ran an auto.

The built auto spreads out the power spike so it doesn't break axles as much, and it doesn't lose traction as readily. Plus they are easier to drive.

(This was the motivating factor in my decision to get away from my 10 second STI (street tires/AWD but with stronger axles). I sucked. 50% of my runs had some shifting or traction malady. No, make that 75%.

)

I'm not convinced you NEED axles to get into the tens, but it's good insurance. At present I'm simply trying to get into the mid elevens, and with 1.8 60" times, I am hardly at the breaking point of the driveline.

That traction control and it's suitability on the drag strip is all conjecture until someone actually posts a time card. To that end, If it DID work up to it's claim, it would maximize the available traction, but having slicks (even DR slicks like I have) would up that threshold.

Now that GTM is making a kit for the G37x, well then: Imagine a G37x Coupe with 18" DR's all around on AWD and a semi-built auto. That's the 10-sec chassis combo for this engine.

Ooopps, I'm in the 370Z forum. Sorry.

I grew up ONLY of drag racing, so I love this topic.

(To those who love that loud GTM vid of the sweeet 370z. That is exactly why I plumbed all my returns to recirculate. It's loud.)

Coop

Jeffblue · 12-07-2011, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpByCoop

That's what I like. Passion in conversations.

Little can I add to this conversation other than these observatioins:

Most really fast and consistent drag cars run autos. I watched a sling of RWD street Corvettes, 5.0's, and a 2010 Camaro ALL run in the low eleven and high ten area most with autos this past weekend. All but one ran an auto.

The built auto spreads out the power spike so it doesn't break axles as much, and it doesn't lose traction as readily. Plus they are easier to drive.

(This was the motivating factor in my decision to get away from my 10 second STI (street tires/AWD but with stronger axles). I sucked. 50% of my runs had some shifting or traction malady. No, make that 75%.

)

I'm not convinced you NEED axles to get into the tens, but it's good insurance. At present I'm simply trying to get into the mid elevens, and with 1.8 60" times, I am hardly at the breaking point of the driveline.

That traction control and it's suitability on the drag strip is all conjecture until someone actually posts a time card. To that end, If it DID work up to it's claim, it would maximize the available traction, but having slicks (even DR slicks like I have) would up that threshold.

Now that GTM is making a kit for the G37x, well then: Imagine a G37x Coupe with 18" DR's all around on AWD and a semi-built auto. That's the 10-sec chassis combo for this engine.

Ooopps, I'm in the 370Z forum. Sorry.

I grew up ONLY of drag racing, so I love this topic.

(To those who love that loud GTM vid of the sweeet 370z. That is exactly why I plumbed all my returns to recirculate. It's loud.)

Coop

AWD definitely adds to consisensy as does automatic... so the most consistent times will surely be held by AWD automatics.

phunk · 12-07-2011, 12:11 PM

I agree with some of your post but not all.

A TT 370z is not undriveable at all. Any amount of power the stock engine can handle is perfectly containable in terms of laying it to the pavement without a drag slick. Like I keep saying, its the same as any other car... you require a proper tire and alignment setup, but 550rwhp is just not an ungodly amount of power, its pretty low in the grand scheme of things and good tires and setup will easily hold it down.

The problem is the owners/drivers of Zs... not the car.

My 370z isnt even setup yet, it just isnt setup retarded either. The traction was good enough this year to hang with or beat any other car in the same power range, especially once rolling... because most other cars with this type of power arent setup any better.

Builds like bullets car will never see the drag strip, because it doesnt make sense. Cars like that are money pits with far too much invested to risk taking to the drag strip. If GTM or anybody else wants to prove how quick they can move a 370z down the drag strip they will put a built engine in an otherwise plain 370z that is completely replaceable if it ends up in the wall. Its just not worth taking a 100 grand 370z down the 1/4 when someone can make the same power with a $15 (20-25 retail i suppose) grand build and run it in a plain car with slicks or DRs and probably get better times.

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

whether or not the Z is a drag car is irrelevant. High HP claims should always be backed up by 1/4 mile times. The road course is NOT the place to be showing off tons of horsepower, and thats where you can actually get away with having a less powerful car. For example, Mike (the powdercoated) runs around much more powerful, more expensive cars with his FBO 370z with a real road course setup.... and guess what i bet he'd lap any TT 370z with their street setups. 310whp and weight reduction with a proper track setup is better around a road course than 600whp on street tires and 20 wheels with stretched tires.... but thats besides the point... the overall impression i get from tt370z owners are that they are basically undriveable when you put your foot down... wheres the fun in that?

I could care less about how much hp you have if you can't put it down and you'd lose to a FWD turbo CRX with slicks on the front... because thats where the TT 370z's still are. honestly with how much the TT 370z's actually cost to build... whats set of axles cost on the scheme of things? if your car has 600whp, it should be running a good time and no one wants to hear that you are too scare to break it. If you are going to run around like your car is hot **** then prove it. no one cares how much horsepower you have to spin your tires.

I know GTM put a lot of R&D into bullits car... but with all the money that was spent on that car... why not actually spend some driving it and proving what it can do. i think a lot more people would be impressed by your car running a 9 or 10 1/4 mile than if you had 1500 hp. i doubt a set of axles or whatever could concievably break if you through some slicks on and tried to run a good time would even cost much in comparison to what the overall build cost.

it'd be cool to see some TT 370z's that weren't just dyno queens. that being said i wouldn't want to be the one who had to put my car on the line

Nixlimited · 12-07-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports

Open dumps

Is that right? It didn't sounds like open dumps to me, and in any event, I heard a lot of turbo noise below the wastegate opening, which surprised me.

LafitteZ · 12-07-2011, 12:52 PM

Exactly like I said before the car will do it its just whos gonna fork up the dough to beat the hell out of there expensive *** tt 370 that they prolly havent even had for barely a year. Iv seen good enough trap speeds its all in the grip. I trapped 121 in low boost with like a 2.5 6ft cuz of wheel hop and spin. So I know if I had a Drag radial and high boost in I have a real shot at 10s. Im scared to death to run a grippy tire considering I still owe 20 grand on the car and iv already boiled the oil in the rear end from trying to hot lap. My best run was a 2.0 60ft 122 trap and 12.01 on street tires. This trip was my first time at a real drag strip in this car.

bullitt5897 · 12-07-2011, 12:53 PM

Well it could also be camera placement...

bullitt5897 · 12-07-2011, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phunk

I agree with some of your post but not all.

A TT 370z is not undriveable at all. Any amount of power the stock engine can handle is perfectly containable in terms of laying it to the pavement without a drag slick. Like I keep saying, its the same as any other car... you require a proper tire and alignment setup, but 550rwhp is just not an ungodly amount of power, its pretty low in the grand scheme of things and good tires and setup will easily hold it down.

The problem is the owners/drivers of Zs... not the car.

My 370z isnt even setup yet, it just isnt setup retarded either. The traction was good enough this year to hang with or beat any other car in the same power range, especially once rolling... because most other cars with this type of power arent setup any better.

Builds like bullets car will never see the drag strip, because it doesnt make sense. Cars like that are money pits with far too much invested to risk taking to the drag strip. If GTM or anybody else wants to prove how quick they can move a 370z down the drag strip they will put a built engine in an otherwise plain 370z that is completely replaceable if it ends up in the wall. Its just not worth taking a 100 grand 370z down the 1/4 when someone can make the same power with a $15 (20-25 retail i suppose) grand build and run it in a plain car with slicks or DRs and probably get better times.

Running a $100K+ car down the strip just isnt feasible for me. I dont mind running a Vbox down a runway or closed course.

phunk · 12-07-2011, 01:34 PM

i dont blame you.

You should investigate running your car at standing mile competitions... thats the choice of a lot of guys with high power street cars who do not want to configure the car for an all out launch off the line, and dont want to worry about hitting a wall, but still want to compete with their car.

its actually a really great venue for street cars, because there isnt a lot of difference in how you would setup the car for standing mile versus street driving and highway racing.

A couple guys have managed to go off the runaway and flip the car... but its not common.

LafitteZ · 12-07-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

i dont blame you.

You should investigate running your car at standing mile competitions... thats the choice of a lot of guys with high power street cars who do not want to configure the car for an all out launch off the line, and dont want to worry about hitting a wall, but still want to compete with their car.

its actually a really great venue for street cars, because there isnt a lot of difference in how you would setup the car for standing mile versus street driving and highway racing.

A couple guys have managed to go off the runaway and flip the car... but its not common.

Yea man Thats what i want to do. Theres just no where to do it around here in louisiana. Really and truly in my opinion the faster car is the one who wins in a long run because it is truly faster. I run down my dads lingenfelter supercharged c6 z06 so I know the z would be a good contender in a standing mile in its class. As for the drag strip itll run 10s. Itll take more people in the drivers seat. The 370 is farelly new and the turbo kit is very new so itll happen in time.

LafitteZ · 12-07-2011, 03:37 PM

They got some haters on here for sure. I dont get why some people get on a z site and completely talk down about the z and how every other car is so much better in every aspect but they still pay money to drive one. Go buy a subaru or a civic or a garbage *** mustang and be like everyone else. Or buy a z and like it for what it is and stop hating so badly on it. The z will do 10s fellas its coming.

fuct · 12-07-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LafitteZ

Yea man Thats what i want to do. Theres just no where to do it around here in louisiana. Really and truly in my opinion the faster car is the one who wins in a long run because it is truly faster. I run down my dads lingenfelter supercharged c6 z06 so I know the z would be a good contender in a standing mile in its class. As for the drag strip itll run 10s. Itll take more people in the drivers seat. The 370 is farelly new and the turbo kit is very new so itll happen in time.

impressive!

Jeffblue · 12-07-2011, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports

Running a $100K+ car down the strip just isnt feasible for me. I dont mind running a Vbox down a runway or closed course.

yes there is less immediate danger in a standing mile... but i think if anything, the standing mile requires more prep than a drag race. One small thing goes wrong you're crashing at 200mph. Although these street cars may have the power to go 200mph they weren't necessarily designed for it aerodynamically and one small gust of wind or a little bump and you're going to crash. theres lots of videos of people crashing at the standing mile... and their cars are always totally destroyed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LafitteZ

They got some haters on here for sure. I dont get why some people get on a z site and completely talk down about the z and how every other car is so much better in every aspect but they still pay money to drive one. Go buy a subaru or a civic or a garbage *** mustang and be like everyone else. Or buy a z and like it for what it is and stop hating so badly on it. The z will do 10s fellas its coming.

I dont think this is anyone talking **** about the Z... people (370z owners and non 370z owners) want to see some hard results, and dynosheet after dynosheet is just getting old. The moment someone criticizes or asks a question about the 370z's shortcomings people flip out. Bottom line is this thread is about why the FI z's arent running 10s, and the conclusion is people are scared they will break, or crash. Hey guess what... those 'garbage ass mustangs... they run 10's, 9's 8's 7's, 6's.

All these people you consider 'haters' are actually called 'car enthusiasts.' No one here is trash talking about the car, people are asking why 600rwhp cars aren't running 10's and there's always some excuse because fanboys can't see past a question or criticism and immediately go on the defensive and talk about 'haters.' I love the 370z, and i'd love to see it run 10's. am i hater because i think that a 600rwhp car should run a 10 in the 1/4 mile? i guess so.

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Originally Posted by LafitteZ

The z will do 10s fellas its coming.

the car is 3 years old... its about time.

12-07-2011, 01:19 AM	#106 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	Who said my car was a dyno queen? we are building a widebody so I can run large enough tires to maintain traction and not run stupid camber... For those saying that a TT370z is undrivable... I laugh at that cause when I was running the g37 at 600hp cough before the motor blew cough the car handled GREAT and was very controllable! Now my 370z I havent had much time behind the wheel yet with all the new power but I am pretty sure its going to be the same thing... in the 600 hp range = totally usable! Now Hi HP TT cars vs. NA cars on the track is a completely different thing... You drive a hi hp car completely different than a low hp Z!!! i.e. In a hi hp car your going to murder the straight and have blistering corner entry speed at which point using a (dependent on turn type) wide tight wide line your going to brake at corner entry... coast throught the turn and hold on for dear God sake until the next turn as you approach it at light speed or plaid! lol When comparing vehicle types or power levels you have to look at corner entry speed, mid corner speed and corner exit speed. Any competent racer will be able to maximize the power advantage and use that to overtake the lower hp vehicle! TRUST ME! I got lapped by a 600hp Supra with a good setup on Little Tally in my 370z with track suspension! Ask anyone who tracks in the south and they will tell you Little Tally is known as a great equilizer cause its only 1.8miles long and the longest straight is about 1200ft max! There is nothing like pushing your Z to the limit to watch the other car just pull away hard out of the corners... Makes you want more POWA! __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

12-07-2011, 01:20 AM	#107 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	If someone has a Vbox I will do runs for you guys I just dont like drag strips... __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

12-07-2011, 10:16 AM	#109 (permalink)
SharpByCoop Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Connecticut Posts: 286 Drives: '08 G37S - Graphite Rep Power: 15	That's what I like. Passion in conversations. Little can I add to this conversation other than these observatioins: Most really fast and consistent drag cars run autos. I watched a sling of RWD street Corvettes, 5.0's, and a 2010 Camaro ALL run in the low eleven and high ten area most with autos this past weekend. All but one ran an auto. The built auto spreads out the power spike so it doesn't break axles as much, and it doesn't lose traction as readily. Plus they are easier to drive. (This was the motivating factor in my decision to get away from my 10 second STI (street tires/AWD but with stronger axles). I sucked. 50% of my runs had some shifting or traction malady. No, make that 75%. ) I'm not convinced you NEED axles to get into the tens, but it's good insurance. At present I'm simply trying to get into the mid elevens, and with 1.8 60" times, I am hardly at the breaking point of the driveline. That traction control and it's suitability on the drag strip is all conjecture until someone actually posts a time card. To that end, If it DID work up to it's claim, it would maximize the available traction, but having slicks (even DR slicks like I have) would up that threshold. Now that GTM is making a kit for the G37x, well then: Imagine a G37x Coupe with 18" DR's all around on AWD and a semi-built auto. That's the 10-sec chassis combo for this engine. Ooopps, I'm in the 370Z forum. Sorry. I grew up ONLY of drag racing, so I love this topic. (To those who love that loud GTM vid of the sweeet 370z. That is exactly why I plumbed all my returns to recirculate. It's loud.) Coop __________________ Jim Cooper - (Retired: '08 Infiniti G37 Sport • TheShopCT built • 11.13 @ 123 mph (click for vid) • GTM Stage II Twin Turbo • 5-speed A/T Level Ten built • 591whp @17 lbs boost)

12-07-2011, 12:53 PM	#114 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	Well it could also be camera placement... __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

12-07-2011, 01:34 PM	#116 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	i dont blame you. You should investigate running your car at standing mile competitions... thats the choice of a lot of guys with high power street cars who do not want to configure the car for an all out launch off the line, and dont want to worry about hitting a wall, but still want to compete with their car. its actually a really great venue for street cars, because there isnt a lot of difference in how you would setup the car for standing mile versus street driving and highway racing. A couple guys have managed to go off the runaway and flip the car... but its not common. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

12-07-2011, 12:52 PM	#113 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	Exactly like I said before the car will do it its just whos gonna fork up the dough to beat the hell out of there expensive *** tt 370 that they prolly havent even had for barely a year. Iv seen good enough trap speeds its all in the grip. I trapped 121 in low boost with like a 2.5 6ft cuz of wheel hop and spin. So I know if I had a Drag radial and high boost in I have a real shot at 10s. Im scared to death to run a grippy tire considering I still owe 20 grand on the car and iv already boiled the oil in the rear end from trying to hot lap. My best run was a 2.0 60ft 122 trap and 12.01 on street tires. This trip was my first time at a real drag strip in this car.

12-07-2011, 03:37 PM	#118 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	They got some haters on here for sure. I dont get why some people get on a z site and completely talk down about the z and how every other car is so much better in every aspect but they still pay money to drive one. Go buy a subaru or a civic or a garbage *** mustang and be like everyone else. Or buy a z and like it for what it is and stop hating so badly on it. The z will do 10s fellas its coming.

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