Ron's better late than never TT build thread

[Dembflyr]

Originally Posted by Ron

Thank you! It does, but it would even more if I could find some traction lol.

I've got a couple of rattles here are there that I need to find and fix. Also I had to go with open dumps bc the recirc pipes did not line. I wanna get them on somehow, it's a bit too loud for my taste now. Can't hear the turbos once those wastegates open lol.

Yeah, those damn pipes are gonna be the death of me. I have had the same problem with mine. Let me guess, driver side is no where close.

"all you have to do is tighten them from the top down".

[mhcoss]

Well when yo uget a chance make some videos of your beast in action!

[esfourteen]

If you look at the compressor maps for the new GTX2863r turbos no one should be expecting them to outperform the GT2860r turbos at low boost levels. Where the GTX series shines is > 15psi, these things flow MUCH more air up top and are sort of like the equivalent of a gt2860r down low and a gt2871r up top.

There is basically more potential for power at higher boost without sacrificing spool/low end torque on lower boost, so you get the best of both worlds.

Congrats again Ron, I would be curious to see the dynojet numbers only because I know how much mustangs fluctuate.

[Ron]

Couldn't have said it better, thanks Nick. I'll get it on a dynojet as soon as we get the little quirks figured out.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Dembflyr

Yeah, those damn pipes are gonna be the death of me. I have had the same problem with mine. Let me guess, driver side is no where close.

"all you have to do is tighten them from the top down".

Yeap miles away from where it is supposed to bolt up.

[esfourteen]

internal wastegates FTW =p

[O&G]

External wastegate FTW. GTX'S for the built motor. Nomnomnom. I wish i could get more peeps from this forum on this Mustang dyno so I can LOL at them.

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[gurneyeagle]

Congratulations on getting the car done Ron.

Best wishes that you are happy with it. Sorry I missed seeing it last night.

[Nixlimited]

Originally Posted by O&G

External wastegate FTW.

Internal WGs just can't flow enough air for built motor/high boost applications, and in my experience, EWGs with a good boost controller give you much finer control over the boost curve.

[Robert_K]

Originally Posted by Nixlimited

Internal WGs just can't flow enough air for built motor/high boost applications, and in my experience, EWGs with a good boost controller give you much finer control over the boost curve.

Internal WG flow just fine and Soon I'll show what they can do with a built VQ35DE. Plenty of power.

[O&G]

Originally Posted by Robert_K

Internal WG flow just fine and Soon I'll show what they can do with a built VQ35DE. Plenty of power.

Can't wait!!

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[esfourteen]

Originally Posted by Nixlimited

Internal WGs just can't flow enough air for built motor/high boost applications, and in my experience, EWGs with a good boost controller give you much finer control over the boost curve.

over 20+psi of boost, yes that is likely the case. I've personally run the gt28rs at 18psi on internal wg without any issues at all. With a built engine these cars will produce 650+whp at those levels.

If you are shooting for over that with much more boost, then it might make sense, however I cant imagine many people are looking to go upwards of that, and yet so many run externals. They cost more, and as Ron has noticed, are a pain in the *** to install in our car if you want to recirc. Don't mean to derail, just my .02

[Nixlimited]

Originally Posted by esfourteen

over 20+psi of boost, yes that is likely the case. I've personally run the gt28rs at 18psi on internal wg without any issues at all. With a built engine these cars will produce 650+whp at those levels.

If you are shooting for over that with much more boost, then it might make sense, however I cant imagine many people are looking to go upwards of that, and yet so many run externals. They cost more, and as Ron has noticed, are a pain in the *** to install in our car if you want to recirc. Don't mean to derail, just my .02

I have no issue with IWGs and I think at lower boost levels they are a good, cost-effective alternative, but when you start to push a ton of air through them they can become an issue since insufficient flow = boost creep = boom. And like I said, I still believe you can get more precise boost control with an EWG as compared to an IWG.

Notwithstanding, on a factory NA engine that isn't built with lower CR, an EWG is probably total overkill. On my old STi I ran between 28-30 PSI on a GT30R and an IWG absolutely wouldn't cut it.

[SAM@GTM]

Originally Posted by Ron

Yeap miles away from where it is supposed to bolt up.

No they are not lol. Jason sent me some pics and i told him what to do, i did not hear anything back from him so i assumed every thing went ok. Have him call me and we can sort it out for you. It has to work.

On anther note Congrats on completing you project and I'm glad you are enjoying it .

Sam

[SAM@GTM]

Originally Posted by Nixlimited

I have no issue with IWGs and I think at lower boost levels they are a good, cost-effective alternative, but when you start to push a ton of air through them they can become an issue since insufficient flow = boost creep = boom. And like I said, I still believe you can get more precise boost control with an EWG as compared to an IWG.

Notwithstanding, on a factory NA engine that isn't built with lower CR, an EWG is probably total overkill. On my old STi I ran between 28-30 PSI on a GT30R and an IWG absolutely wouldn't cut it.

With the right preload and a good boost controller you can get some real good results out of the IWG. No dough EWG are better as the HP goals and boost demand increases. Here is a dyno graph of a car we just finished, it has our VQ37VHR stage one long block, Stage 2 turbo kit with internal waist gates running 16 psi, as you can see it does very well .