SC Question

Pelican170 · 09-02-2011, 02:43 PM

Hey,

Sorry if this may be a stupid question, but considering a GTM SC possibly down the road. Either stage 1 or 2. My main question is, how safe is this to do? Should I expect issues down the road? Also, what else needs to be upgraded for this or can stock parts be ok? Sorry for the vague questions, just curious about all that would be involved...

toner123 · 09-02-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

Hey,

Sorry if this may be a stupid question, but considering a GTM SC possibly down the road. Either stage 1 or 2. My main question is, how safe is this to do? Should I expect issues down the road? Also, what else needs to be upgraded for this or can stock parts be ok? Sorry for the vague questions, just curious about all that would be involved...

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Pelican170 · 09-02-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by toner123

LOL this thread is going to get fun. I recomend you use the search function

Yea i know and i tried. Info that I am looking for is just spread all over. Just looking for general things to keep aware of...

theDreamer · 09-02-2011, 02:58 PM

Safe is all in the tune, both stage 1 & 2.

Things to get:
-Oil cooler
-Gauges
-Clutch (optional but will needed at some point)

Beyond that each build is individual. You can do test pipes or LTH if you want a more open exhaust system, and any cat will burn up over time (stock or HFC).

Pelican170 · 09-02-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Safe is all in the tune, both stage 1 & 2.

Things to get:
-Oil cooler
-Gauges
-Clutch (optional but will needed at some point)

Beyond that each build is individual. You can do test pipes or LTH if you want a more open exhaust system, and any cat will burn up over time (stock or HFC).

Good to know, currently have HFC's but could always make an easy switch to Test Pipes.. Oil cooler i am looking at for next year (since summers almost over and car goes to the garage before too long...)

Also, arent "turn key" applications ready to go, meaning tuning is not necessary or am i completely wrong?

Dembflyr · 09-02-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

Good to know, currently have HFC's but could always make an easy switch to Test Pipes.. Oil cooler i am looking at for next year (since summers almost over and car goes to the garage before too long...)

Also, arent "turn key" applications ready to go, meaning tuning is not necessary or am i completely wrong?

Turn key just means that everything you need is included to make the car run properly. Except for gauges, oil cooler, clutch, etc.

The tuner kits leave some things out like fuel system and tune. That allows a shop, or customer, that may have more experience with a different brand to use whatever one they prefer.

Pelican170 · 09-02-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dembflyr

Turn key just means that everything you need is included to make the car run properly. Except for gauges, oil cooler, clutch, etc.

The tuner kits leave some things out like fuel system and tune. That allows a shop, or customer, that may have more experience with a different brand to use whatever one they prefer.

I see, thank you for the full explanation. I would of course talk to a local shop about this since im not inclined to install it myself...

Seems like the costs of this may be a little more than expected. I was figuring around 10g's completed...

theaudir8fan · 09-02-2011, 05:02 PM

Haha, I was in your position when I first started out looking into FI, but there is never a excat answer that you are looking for. Once you start boosting there is just a much bigger chance of engine failure, I just learned to live with the fact that something might happen. That being said, there are ways to reduce the possibility of engine failure, such as a lower boost and safer tunes, but always be prepared. Now to the price estimate, if you want SC, budget around 15g for the entire kit with all the gauges and accessories installed and tuned. That leaves a bit extra is for the just incase of if something goes wrong.

theDreamer · 09-02-2011, 05:18 PM

Kit is around 7800, install should run about 1-2k and the other parts should total around 2k probably depending on what you want to do exactly. So a bit over 10k for the stage 2 kit and such.
It all depends on what you want exactly also, if you want something 'unique' with your build or extra then cost start to rise quickly, say a meth kit, or gauge setup with custom screen and output, etc.

Not saying you cannot spend 15k for a SC setup but that is on the high side for what most need.

theaudir8fan · 09-02-2011, 06:04 PM

Hum, your price is a lot cheaper then what I had, not sure tho. My build includes the stage 2 kit, with head up engine oil and trans cooler, valve body upgrade, blitz plus a boost gauge, and all that added, I'm pretty close to 15k.

theDreamer · 09-02-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by theaudir8fan

Hum, your price is a lot cheaper then what I had, not sure tho. My build includes the stage 2 kit, with head up engine oil and trans cooler, valve body upgrade, blitz plus a boost gauge, and all that added, I'm pretty close to 15k.

Ah, the valve body upgrade is an extra cost I did not calculate, that will throw in a bit extra.

Kirkster · 09-02-2011, 07:07 PM

My stage 1 SC turn key kit was 7K with oil cooler, thermostatic adaptor, Boost Gauge, AFR Gauge. If I had someone else install it I would be looking at 9K. But I did the install myself and saved 2K...

Red__Zed · 09-02-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirkster

My stage 1 SC turn key kit was 7K with oil cooler, thermostatic adaptor, Boost Gauge, AFR Gauge. If I had someone else install it I would be looking at 9K. But I did the install myself and saved 2K...

that's pretty cheap. hm...

FL 4Motion · 09-02-2011, 07:27 PM

IMO, no FI option is truly "safe", safe as in just like OEM or bolt ons/tune. You can make a s/c or TT safer with good tune etc, but it's still putting stress on a motor that wasn't designed for it initially. How much "headroom" we have on this motor, ie. how much boost it can take for x amount of time, is yet tbd. That said, if you want to go FI, you should budget for a motor rebuild sometime down the line in your initial $$ calculations. May be 1 year, 2 years, 5 years later etc. Perhaps never, but better to be prepared for the worst and hope fo rthe best than go into it thinking it'll be fine and then have an unexpected $$ problem.

GUTCH · 09-04-2011, 04:25 AM

Do you HAVE to have a gauge? And if certain extra items are "compulsory", why aren't they simply included with the kit?

09-02-2011, 02:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
Pelican170 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 972 Drives: Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 16	SC Question Hey, Sorry if this may be a stupid question, but considering a GTM SC possibly down the road. Either stage 1 or 2. My main question is, how safe is this to do? Should I expect issues down the road? Also, what else needs to be upgraded for this or can stock parts be ok? Sorry for the vague questions, just curious about all that would be involved... Last edited by Pelican170; 09-02-2011 at 02:55 PM.

09-02-2011, 02:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	Safe is all in the tune, both stage 1 & 2. Things to get: -Oil cooler -Gauges -Clutch (optional but will needed at some point) Beyond that each build is individual. You can do test pipes or LTH if you want a more open exhaust system, and any cat will burn up over time (stock or HFC). __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

09-02-2011, 05:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
theaudir8fan Base Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: lonely land up north Posts: 162 Drives: 07 Infiniti G35S PG Rep Power: 14	Haha, I was in your position when I first started out looking into FI, but there is never a excat answer that you are looking for. Once you start boosting there is just a much bigger chance of engine failure, I just learned to live with the fact that something might happen. That being said, there are ways to reduce the possibility of engine failure, such as a lower boost and safer tunes, but always be prepared. Now to the price estimate, if you want SC, budget around 15g for the entire kit with all the gauges and accessories installed and tuned. That leaves a bit extra is for the just incase of if something goes wrong. __________________ 2007 Infiniti G35S 5AT PG; GTM; KW; Hotchkis; Stillen; Berks; SPC; GT-spec; SxExCx

09-02-2011, 05:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	Kit is around 7800, install should run about 1-2k and the other parts should total around 2k probably depending on what you want to do exactly. So a bit over 10k for the stage 2 kit and such. It all depends on what you want exactly also, if you want something 'unique' with your build or extra then cost start to rise quickly, say a meth kit, or gauge setup with custom screen and output, etc. Not saying you cannot spend 15k for a SC setup but that is on the high side for what most need. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

09-02-2011, 06:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
theaudir8fan Base Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: lonely land up north Posts: 162 Drives: 07 Infiniti G35S PG Rep Power: 14	Hum, your price is a lot cheaper then what I had, not sure tho. My build includes the stage 2 kit, with head up engine oil and trans cooler, valve body upgrade, blitz plus a boost gauge, and all that added, I'm pretty close to 15k. __________________ 2007 Infiniti G35S 5AT PG; GTM; KW; Hotchkis; Stillen; Berks; SPC; GT-spec; SxExCx

09-02-2011, 07:07 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kirkster A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Peoples Republic of MD Posts: 1,792 Drives: Roadster of DOOM Rep Power: 20	My stage 1 SC turn key kit was 7K with oil cooler, thermostatic adaptor, Boost Gauge, AFR Gauge. If I had someone else install it I would be looking at 9K. But I did the install myself and saved 2K... __________________ Powertrain Warranty voided on 5/14/2011 Mod List:GTM Supercharger,SmartTop module, Oil Cooler, GT-R Start button, Nismo Exhaust, BC Racing ER Coilovers, Backup Camara For eastwest:

09-02-2011, 07:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
FL 4Motion A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Posts: 4,776 Drives: Baby Shark Rep Power: 701616	IMO, no FI option is truly "safe", safe as in just like OEM or bolt ons/tune. You can make a s/c or TT safer with good tune etc, but it's still putting stress on a motor that wasn't designed for it initially. How much "headroom" we have on this motor, ie. how much boost it can take for x amount of time, is yet tbd. That said, if you want to go FI, you should budget for a motor rebuild sometime down the line in your initial $$ calculations. May be 1 year, 2 years, 5 years later etc. Perhaps never, but better to be prepared for the worst and hope fo rthe best than go into it thinking it'll be fine and then have an unexpected $$ problem.

09-04-2011, 04:25 AM	#15 (permalink)
GUTCH Base Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 134 Drives: 2018 Audi TT RS Rep Power: 15	Do you HAVE to have a gauge? And if certain extra items are "compulsory", why aren't they simply included with the kit?

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