Im just wondering, is the Porsche 911 turbo/GT2RS count as super car?

It's usually paired against the Gtr, ZR1, Ferrari, and Lambos. Bugatti, Mclaren, and Pagani are in another class because of their price.

What's wrong with carbon brakes?

they make you stop too fast.

And paddle shifters?

*honk*
Dammit hit my head on the steering wheel again

Paddle shifters are for floozies

The price

Your face is for floozies.....oh wait.....:ugh2:

Don't most current supercars have paddle shifters though?

Meh, it's worth it for the performance. Who's worrying about that on a $300k + car anyways?

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It's not much relative to the price of the supercar, which should be pretty high to even be considered a supercar.

once i install my lightweight flywheel i will have a supercar or no?

Depends how much it cost :icon17:

LoL! that corolla race motor probably had more than $100k invested into it.

lol, that's not my point.

Have you ever driven any of the vehicles you just mentioned?
-In no way is any zed as refined as any Porsche or Ferrari.

Drive your z34 and jump into a similar model year 911TT.. You will NOT have the same performance, its just not happening.

unless it's a 996.....then it's poo lol... I would still take a 993 turbo over any other porsche, any day.

My bad.. I assumed you posted in rebutal to the $100k + z = supercar.:tiphat:

LoL! Alex, if/when you come visit.. we will go for a tour of my friends shop.. He has pcars doing wheelies..
993> all.. only problem is that they are still $60k if you can find them.. and the interior is just to "dated" for me..
But I would still buy one if I could afford the up-keep.

Only if it's in a manual transmission.;):stirthepot:

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So wait...I have a supercar? :ugh2:

:eek:

I'm so jealous :p

with a 100k invested the z wont be a super car all of a sudden but i dont know what you guys are thinking as far as the performance, you take a gallardo,italia,zr1 or any other car in that status and lets get modding

20k for a stage 3 gtm kit and a built short block(650whp or so)
8-10k for some crazy 6pot front and 4pot rear brakes
20k worth of suspension
25k worth of cf fenders,trunk,hood and other parts
3000 in tranny and cooling
and just for fun 5k worth of alcantera/leather/suede for the inside


Thats only 81000 and you dont think that car would beat a stock supercar at everything??? I think these cars are being over rated

By your price list, I see you've never built a serious build.

+1 :icon17:

That price breakdown was.........interesting. There are plenty of supporting mods that are contained in the implied tasks during the build. Otherwise you will have a lot of fail when attempting to outperform the supercars.

Don't get me wrong.....you can compete with them, but you really gotta pay to play. I used to chase a F360 Challenge around when I was stationed in Italy in my CA powered S13 Fastback. A lot of cars I could hang with, but I was one with my machine. I got smoked bad by a Carrera Turbo in 2006. He came on the Autostrada hitting it hard, so I downshifted and punched it. He just continually walked away from me convincingly. That was the day I went back to the drawing board.

I think I was putting down about 310-ish at the time and had about 22K invested in upgraded parts. Transitional power was my focus over peak power and that allowed me to walk people down or run away from them in a variety of situations. My buddy and I did all the work ourselves at the auto hobbyshop. I also had my share of things that failed or broke during the process from ECUs to Driveline items.

Would I do it again? Yup! Except this time, it's in a Z and not an S13.

i exagarated the price of some things and i left out the price of others, my point is your not trying to compete with a race car your trying to compete with a stock f430 made to drive on the street, i think for well under 100k in a z you can run with one

True. As I said, I used to run with them in my S13. An F430 Challenge has roughly 400HP stock. Even if it is twin supercharged, a twin turbo Z should be on par. Against a stock (or what looked to be stock) F360 Challenge, my 310-ish WHP S13 Fastback did quite well. My S13 was far from stock, but was still just on par with the Ferrari.

I would think that a Z with F/I (and supporting mods), suspension upgrades, and a decent driver would hang with or beat a supercar. I have seen a lot of folks with supercars that have no skills at all or even basic car knowledge. I think it would be interesting to link up with an individual with said supercar (and decent driving skills) and see where the cards fall.........That may be my next project after TT installation :driving:

really based on what?? you dont know anything about me my friend, everything on my list can be had for allot less and i left plenty of fluff for the little things, but please point out where im off and what i left out

Well, the most glaring omission is obvious to all the more experienced members here. No Miata doors = certain failure. :(

I think he may have meant that with a build like that, you have to be prepared for the unexpected big expenses that may arise. By that I mean stuff breaking, like blowing an engine or a tranny or something. Also your list must assume that you'd be doing all the installs yourself since labor charges would also be huge for all that. Disclaimer: I haven't done any builds like this myself, but just stuff I have picked up from the forum.

are you guys kidding me that i didnt put enough for labor?? 20k worth of suspension. 10k in brakes!!!! maybe the engine part would be about 25k but there is enough fluff elsewhere to cover that and my total is 81,the alloted number we talked about was 100k!! and yes things can break but for the purpose of the question asked to price building the car and pricing braking it then building again is impossible

That was just my guess, but I am by no means any where near an expert.

Dude....I am not troubleshooting your argument. Actually, I kinda boosted you up. I merely added my personal experience. Oh well.............

they don't have to be reliable most cost but loads for regular maintenance which you need to do to keep the teeny tiny warranty anyway and when something breaks you could be out 20k+ to fix it. you could build a big TT z that isn't exactly reliable but lasts long enough and still be under a Ferrari or lambo's price point. the suspension market is good for our cars, have the pickup points raised, throw in some universal speed parts like arm/bar adjustable swaybars, new frame mounts, ball end suspension components, lighter wheels and better tires, and some aero mods, and brakes and you could do it. hell for 15grand m4a1 could turn his car into a muffstain that would all around beat a gt500 and apparently we consider that a supercar? if the gt500 is considered a supercar i'll bet there are at least 8 z's on here that are all around better than one of those and they still cost less

Correction, it's pronounced m4ghey1 :rofl2:

Define Super
 

So controversial. Super can be defined by dollar amount like 200k and above or cubic inch. It's not even even worth the breath to argue. You take a 370z, put in the best suspension you can find, lower it so it responds, put in a twin turbo or big single, great tires, a person who knows how to drive hard and it can run with almost anything. Drop that BS drive by wire as well. You do that, and you can run with many cars that are 10x more expensive base price.

NitroZ - you do realize you've responded to a post that hasn't been updated in over 8 years, yes?

No it was really important to point out that drive by wire is the biggest thing holding the Z back.