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Originally Posted by Vinny Say what you will, but classification as "supercar" or "race car" at the end of the day is just classification. With enough money invested, you CAN
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What supercar are you going to outperform with 100k in your z? |
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Surprisingly not that complex a formula. Less weight, better brakes, improved suspension, better tires, fine tuning and of course more power. A lot of the premium that goes into supercars is because of the pedigree. The fastest car at this years Goodwood Festival of Speed for example was a highly modified Toyota Celica. All things being equal though, I'd still take a slower Aston Martin over a wicked fast Celica any day.
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err...ok, what do you mean by "outperform" ? Around a track? in a straight line on a strip? @ picking up hookers?
A straight line win would be the easy part.. Just an example,how about a stock Ferrari 430? I mean if a race spec RX-8 can be built to compete & win against a race spec Ferrari F430 Challenge in the Rolex Sports Car Series along with a sorts of 911's, I don't see how $100k or more into a Z wouldn't make in competative. All theortical of course since the closest version is the GS class AM Performance 370z.
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Like I said, it's a matter of opinion. With enough money, you can make almost any car do anything. You can be stubborn and say "no Z will ever beat any supercar", but the fact of the matter is that a civic is not in the same "classification" as a Z, but don't be surprised to see a modified one spanking you around a track. Same goes for a Z and an Aston Martin, or Ferrari, or whatever. You may never want to classify a Z as a supercar, but it CAN outperform supercars with enough investment. There are almost not limitations in the tuner world these days. You can have a custom tranny made, swap a gtr engine forged with nice big turbos, suspension mods, stripped, nice big brakes, etc.. (you get the idea) What are you left with? A lighter, faster, smaller GTR. What you need to understand is that cars are platforms these days.
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Problem is, we aren't in a video game, and we have to deal with platform limitations. Fact is, 100k doesn't get a z into territory where it is competitive with supercars... It barely allows for basic setup... Nothing leftover for researching new gemoetries or providing structural reinfOrcement. |
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When I think supercar, I think exotic exterior/interior...its not all about performance. Even if a Z can outperform a Ferrari, its not considered in the same class as a Ferrari.
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in trying to turn the Z into a "supercar" you will need to completley swap out everthing that makes a Z a Z...
imo you no longer have a Z...you might as well have bought a ferrari and paid the $100k+ to mold the Z body parts onto the ferrari frame.
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We're talking about street legal now? And interior? Geez, it's like arguing with a mule!
Put it this way: Mr. X is a billionaire. He catches a glimpse of a Z and falls in love with it. He sends it to shop Y, and says, I don't care how much it costs, make it faster around a track than a stock GTR. Or a ferrari F430. Or an aston martin. You're gonna tell me that there is no possible way for this to be done? I can't figure out if you're just trolling or actually this stubborn.. You asked what supercar the Z would beat around a track.. Now that you realize you were wrong, you say "Interior! Street legal!" Please. Wake up.
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* To be considered a supercar, most would say a car should: -Look good -Have overwhelming gobs of power -Handle extremely well -Maintain some semblance of drivability to keep the clientele happy -be priced accordingly. * A race spec Z misses out on point 4. Additionally, it fails the street legal test. If you don't care about street legality and want to go fast, a kit car might be the way to go...you could get something similar to an ariel atom fabbed up with a Z body kit for a lot less than full race prep. * With modification to the Z, there are a ton of platform limitations you will run into. One is engine placement. No matter what you do, the Z's weight distribution is going to be mediocre. Start talking FI or a swap and you've got even more weight up front. * Structurcal stiffness is another component. Just the man-hours to properly stitch weld...well, they won't be cheap. * *And then there is the issue of the "fat pig" nature of the Z.... the construction really prevents it*from ever being light enough to be competitive. No matter how much crap you strip out, the car won't be much under 3100 lbs loaded. * * |
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i think craftmanship come more into play with supercars...
look at cars made by Spyker....the new aileron is very similiar to the Z in performance, and without a doubt is considered a "supercar" 0-60 - 4.5 1/4 - 14.3 Weight - 3150 lbs HP - 400 Price: $210,000 i think the build process and limited number of cars made is just as much what makes a supercar a supercar as is performance.
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