Turbo 370z Supercar?

Red__Zed

What supercar are you going to outperform with 100k in your z?

Cmike2780

Surprisingly not that complex a formula. Less weight, better brakes, improved suspension, better tires, fine tuning and of course more power. A lot of the premium that goes into supercars is because of the pedigree. The fastest car at this years Goodwood Festival of Speed for example was a highly modified Toyota Celica. All things being equal though, I'd still take a slower Aston Martin over a wicked fast Celica any day.

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Red__Zed

Doesn't answer my question.

Cmike2780

err...ok, what do you mean by "outperform" ? Around a track? in a straight line on a strip? @ picking up hookers?

A straight line win would be the easy part..

Just an example,how about a stock Ferrari 430? I mean if a race spec RX-8 can be built to compete & win against a race spec Ferrari F430 Challenge in the Rolex Sports Car Series along with a sorts of 911's, I don't see how $100k or more into a Z wouldn't make in competative. All theortical of course since the closest version is the GS class AM Performance 370z.

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Vinny

^^ this.
Like I said, it's a matter of opinion. With enough money, you can make almost any car do anything. You can be stubborn and say "no Z will ever beat any supercar", but the fact of the matter is that a civic is not in the same "classification" as a Z, but don't be surprised to see a modified one spanking you around a track. Same goes for a Z and an Aston Martin, or Ferrari, or whatever. You may never want to classify a Z as a supercar, but it CAN outperform supercars with enough investment.

There are almost not limitations in the tuner world these days. You can have a custom tranny made, swap a gtr engine forged with nice big turbos, suspension mods, stripped, nice big brakes, etc.. (you get the idea) What are you left with? A lighter, faster, smaller GTR.
What you need to understand is that cars are platforms these days.

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Red__Zed

Thanks for the lesson on modding cars. I had no idea it worked like that....


Problem is, we aren't in a video game, and we have to deal with platform limitations. Fact is, 100k doesn't get a z into territory where it is competitive with supercars... It barely allows for basic setup... Nothing leftover for researching new gemoetries or providing structural reinfOrcement.

Reality

LoL! that corolla race motor probably had more than $100k invested into it.

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Cmike2780

lol, that's not my point.

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Vinny

^^ This?

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Red__Zed

100k is pushing it. Maybe you'll beat some outdated cars on that build, but nothing bleeding edge.

Brutal 370Z

When I think supercar, I think exotic exterior/interior...its not all about performance. Even if a Z can outperform a Ferrari, its not considered in the same class as a Ferrari.

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Econ

in trying to turn the Z into a "supercar" you will need to completley swap out everthing that makes a Z a Z...

imo you no longer have a Z...you might as well have bought a ferrari and paid the $100k+ to mold the Z body parts onto the ferrari frame.

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Vinny

We're talking about street legal now? And interior? Geez, it's like arguing with a mule!
Put it this way: Mr. X is a billionaire. He catches a glimpse of a Z and falls in love with it. He sends it to shop Y, and says, I don't care how much it costs, make it faster around a track than a stock GTR. Or a ferrari F430. Or an aston martin.
You're gonna tell me that there is no possible way for this to be done?
I can't figure out if you're just trolling or actually this stubborn.. You asked what supercar the Z would beat around a track.. Now that you realize you were wrong, you say "Interior! Street legal!"
Please. Wake up.

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Red__Zed

You claim with $100k, your Z should be considered a supercar, since it is in supercar territory. I'm saying it won't be in supercar territory. It may be faster around track XYZ, but it is not supercar competitive.
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To be considered a supercar, most would say a car should:
-Look good
-Have overwhelming gobs of power
-Handle extremely well
-Maintain some semblance of drivability to keep the clientele happy
-be priced accordingly.
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A race spec Z misses out on point 4. Additionally, it fails the street legal test. If you don't care about street legality and want to go fast, a kit car might be the way to go...you could get something similar to an ariel atom fabbed up with a Z body kit for a lot less than full race prep.
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With modification to the Z, there are a ton of platform limitations you will run into. One is engine placement. No matter what you do, the Z's weight distribution is going to be mediocre. Start talking FI or a swap and you've got even more weight up front.
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Structurcal stiffness is another component. Just the man-hours to properly stitch weld...well, they won't be cheap.
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*And then there is the issue of the "fat pig" nature of the Z.... the construction really prevents it*from ever being light enough to be competitive. No matter how much crap you strip out, the car won't be much under 3100 lbs loaded.
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Econ

i think craftmanship come more into play with supercars...

look at cars made by Spyker....the new aileron is very similiar to the Z in performance, and without a doubt is considered a "supercar"

0-60 - 4.5
1/4 - 14.3
Weight - 3150 lbs
HP - 400
Price: $210,000

i think the build process and limited number of cars made is just as much what makes a supercar a supercar as is performance.

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