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RCZ

Every one of the things you listed are assists to things I still have to do anyway. I still have to shift, still have to steer, brake and control the car. So which part of driving do I do? All of it. On the track I still have to launch the car, modulate accelerator to keep wheelspin down, shift as fast and smoothly as possible manually all while making sure I'm still going straight.

Don't get sassy. I was just commenting that this is, as he said, becoming a question of how much you can remove driver error and how efficient you can make the car at putting all its power down. Some might argue that's taking the fun or skill out of it too.

A lot of Formula 1 drivers were very happy when they got rid of TC a few years ago even though they knew they would lap slower.

All that being said, I am also very much looking forward to Z Elim giving jnaut some heat. Only way to keep making cars faster.

wstar

Hey, you started the sassy

For Z Elim he's drag racing anyways, I think that's a whole different conversation since it's already such a small subset of the complete driving experience.

But it really is a big continuum. For those all about just the raw driving experience and manually controlling everything, there are options to go a little more old school just to experience all of the complexities of driving outdated technology. I guess you can go as old school as you want in say a little Super-7 style kit car where you pick your own components.

But even with our 7AT (or similarly in terms of controls, but better performing by far: PDK/DCT type systems), you are still making shifting decisions the same way you do on a manual, it's just taken all the challenge out of actually executing the shift (pedal operations/timing).

Similarly with real traction control like RaceLogic, you do still have to pick an appropriate speed and line through a corner - it cannot defy physics, and will not save you from entering a corner way too fast on the wrong line and ending up off track. It just perfects the fine control of holding the throttle perfectly at the slip limit for you.

I think to some degree what you want out of racing experience is going to be personal preference. For some people who want all the tech on the car they can get, "racing" is really about equipment setup, line choice, gear choice and enjoying the Gs. That alone can be a fun challenge. Others (most racers these days?) want more challenge to feel they've conquered a more raw version of driving: explicitly controlling gear engagement, etc.

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Im glad this dude is GONE

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