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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1182886)

So, question RCZ: now that you have synchronizer gears in your transmission, SynchroRevMatch, power steering, power-assisted ABS brakes, a safe electronic rev limiter, a rear view mirror, an awesome suspension dampening system, and amazingly advanced tire rubber compounds... exactly which part of really driving your car do you do?

Don't hate on technology, or we'd all be driving these:

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Edit: adding this link for background on the photo: Auto racing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thats funny chit !!!!!

wheres the steering wheel on that thing.

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1181539)

Hmm I guess I was assuming that kit used its own wheel sensors, throttle control, etc and would take some serious install work. Are you saying it just hooks into the stock ECU and works with the stock sensors, and adjusts the throttle through the ECU as well?

Yes, this is all done through all sub harness that we supply with the system, It was not easy but we wanted to offer true offer a PNP system.

We timed our self and it took us 1:36 to install the system on the car, and it was ready to drive .

Sam

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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 1181303)

I got it yesterday .
The first thing that you notice is how well it is packed in the box and how well the box is taped up for good safe shipping. It takes longer to get it out of the packaging box, than to install it. The instructions are perfect and it takes about 5 min to install. (so easy even i can do it).
Its plug and play.
My car is a 7 AT. After i ajusted some peramiter on the unit i went out to see how the car drives with this unit. You have to turn the nissan VDC off.
It did a few 0 to 120km runs in "D" and it felt just as quick as when i take it to the track. The wheels spin when it shifts at 7800 with out the TC on and with it on you can hardly tell that they slip its only a little blip that you feel.
There is no contest between the Nissan VDC and the TC unit.
Im still finding out which setting are best for my car, its hard to tell the differenece between the stock sport tires and my 305 35 18 drag radials as the aceleration on the street feel just as fast as at the track.
It pulls really hard on street tires, It feels much faster.
According to Sam i should have my GTM SC in a 2 weeks i will post on the the TC unit with the SC.
It should give me perfect aceleration with the SC as the car will be pushing 500+ rwhp compared to my 322 that i have now.
It going to rain here tomorrow and i can not wait to test it out in the rain as Sam says that it will be increadable on how it will acclerate and go aroung corners.
The car is going to the Ontario Z Drag day this weekend and i will post the times with the drag radials using the TC unit.
Z

Thank you Steve for posting, glad you are enjoying it.

Sam

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Originally Posted by Brazilbro (Post 1182955)

wheres the steering wheel on that thing.

My guess is it uses a tiller control?

The best part of driving the car is the christmas tree at the drag strip. No automation here just you and the other person beside you.
I just have the unit on the floor mat now . Have not thought were im going to put it yet and i have the controler on the sterring wheel below the tac.
RCZ its all about the car with the most toys. ( products that work and are true and tested when you get them). re. stillen SC's.
I do not think that i will beat Jnauts time it a very fast time as i have very little slip with the drag radials on the car. If i get into the 12.3 i will be happy. That a very fast time for a 7 AT with a stock VB all motor.
Sam please send me a modified VB, or a fully built 7 AT. ( do not put this on my account), so that i can beat Jnauts time and RZC will be a happy.
I will do a few passes with the TC on and the TC off, will post times sunday morning .

Z

Nice review Z eliminator looking forward to your results at the track once you get your supercharger.:tup:

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1182886)

So, question RCZ: now that you have synchronizer gears in your transmission, SynchroRevMatch, power steering, power-assisted ABS brakes, a safe electronic rev limiter, a rear view mirror, an awesome suspension dampening system, and amazingly advanced tire rubber compounds... exactly which part of really driving your car do you do?

Don't hate on technology, or we'd all be driving these:

Edit: adding this link for background on the photo: Auto racing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every one of the things you listed are assists to things I still have to do anyway. I still have to shift, still have to steer, brake and control the car. So which part of driving do I do? All of it. On the track I still have to launch the car, modulate accelerator to keep wheelspin down, shift as fast and smoothly as possible manually all while making sure I'm still going straight.

Don't get sassy. I was just commenting that this is, as he said, becoming a question of how much you can remove driver error and how efficient you can make the car at putting all its power down. Some might argue that's taking the fun or skill out of it too.

A lot of Formula 1 drivers were very happy when they got rid of TC a few years ago even though they knew they would lap slower.

All that being said, I am also very much looking forward to Z Elim giving jnaut some heat. Only way to keep making cars faster.

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 1183250)

Don't get sassy. I was just commenting that this is, as he said, becoming a question of how much you can remove driver error and how efficient you can make the car at putting all its power down. Some might argue that's taking the fun or skill out of it too.

A lot of Formula 1 drivers were very happy when they got rid of TC a few years ago even though they knew they would lap slower.

All that being said, I am also very much looking forward to Z Elim giving jnaut some heat. Only way to keep making cars faster.

Hey, you started the sassy :p

For Z Elim he's drag racing anyways, I think that's a whole different conversation since it's already such a small subset of the complete driving experience.

But it really is a big continuum. For those all about just the raw driving experience and manually controlling everything, there are options to go a little more old school just to experience all of the complexities of driving outdated technology. I guess you can go as old school as you want in say a little Super-7 style kit car where you pick your own components.

But even with our 7AT (or similarly in terms of controls, but better performing by far: PDK/DCT type systems), you are still making shifting decisions the same way you do on a manual, it's just taken all the challenge out of actually executing the shift (pedal operations/timing).

Similarly with real traction control like RaceLogic, you do still have to pick an appropriate speed and line through a corner - it cannot defy physics, and will not save you from entering a corner way too fast on the wrong line and ending up off track. It just perfects the fine control of holding the throttle perfectly at the slip limit for you.

I think to some degree what you want out of racing experience is going to be personal preference. For some people who want all the tech on the car they can get, "racing" is really about equipment setup, line choice, gear choice and enjoying the Gs. That alone can be a fun challenge. Others (most racers these days?) want more challenge to feel they've conquered a more raw version of driving: explicitly controlling gear engagement, etc.

Never thought the install would be that easy. Hiding the wires took longer than the install. Still trying to figure out the best place for the controller.

Siked to hear the results