:shakes head:

Since VVEL tuning is a different topic, maybe we should start a new thread so more people can get involved in the discussion..

Or maybe that's a rook statement too.

Since your thread was answered and this thread is now going somewhere now, its probably a good idea to let it run its course and stay relevant don't you think?

So yes.

Ya, no need for bashing anymore guys. It really gets in the way of those seeking results/hp & tq numbers. I wonder if this stg.2 kit will get close to 500hp with the VVEL tuning. Should this kit be safe to run on the stock block, or will the engine need to be built to support said power?

It'll be fine in terms of reliability on the stock block. Torque is thing that breaks ****.

Do others believe that over 400 TQ is possible with the stg.2 kit?

it SHOULD be over 400 TQ.. more like 430 and up..

a Stage one can do 350 tq with stock VVEL and stock exhaust

so imagine what stage 2 can do with GTM VVEL controller and after market exhaust..

i have feelings that GTM will make exhaust manifold recommended for SC:D either long tube or short i dont care.. but I do have feelings!!

When get it installed up here I will post the #'s. its going to be a few monrths.
But hopefully i will have the traction conrol unit installed before the SC.
As for the 7 AT. Im sure that the i will be the first one to really break one witht the stage 2. I have the GTM Torque Converter installed last week. Can not say how well it will launch my car as the is too much snow up here now. For some reason the car has a deeper tone to it and the shifts feel stronger.
Coming soon will be the VB.
The VVEL would be nice too have to try on my N/A full bolt on setups, but realistically i feel that's it will be along time till we see it. (its a major project to put it into production).
Z

Hey Z, I was just wondering if ur looking for stg 2 SC then why you just didnt go TTed ur car and have the power than stg 2 will offer?

any experience with TT?

You will probably be capable of making enough power to need to build the block with the stage 2. The thing with a supercharger that you have to remember is that it takes horse power to make horse power. The supercharger is not "free" energy like a turbo. Meaning to achieve 500 whp the supercharger actually has to make more at the crank to overcome the parasitic loss caused by the supercharger itself. That means 500 whp (depending on the exact chargers efficiency) could equal enough horse power needed out of the motor to require an engine build.

Not to stir the pot or anything of the sort, but it may be a tidbit of info that can answer your question. Last time I looked into it, the SC unit Stillen uses flows more CFM than the GTM stage 2 unit. Considering the stillen kit doesnt need an engine build, I think its safe to say you guys wont either. Again please for gods sake don't take this comment out of context.

Haha ^^ Thanks for the info. :tiphat:

Watup slimmm I see u inhere lol

I doubt you will need an engine build...remember the SC doesn't have that big rush of power the TT kit has so its not gonna be beating the crap outta the internals...it should be fine..

Rotrex units are HIghly efficient..i believe the most efficient units available..stage 1 GTM SC kit has flow rate of .55 Kg/s and stage 2 will have .63 Kg/s...it is indeed a larger unit.

I hope the stg.2 will be more efficient than the stg.1 when it comes to the addition of long tube headers, whether that be from Fast Intentions or GTM.