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Buddy Revell 12-29-2010 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Staples (Post 870065)
That's why you see the same stage 1 kit on the 350z HR putting down 470+whp on 14psi, the same exact kit that's available to the VHR motor that is only seeing 8psi (same pulley being used between both motors)

This is what my input is at least on the matter, I'm sure Sam could shed a lot more light on this then I can.

Whoa. A VQ35HR is strong enough to handle 14 psi?

kevin1985912 12-29-2010 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddy Revell (Post 870223)
Whoa. A VQ35HR is strong enough to handle 14 psi?

I think it's because VQ37VHR has higher compression than the VQ35

Staples 12-29-2010 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buddy Revell (Post 870223)
Whoa. A VQ35HR is strong enough to handle 14 psi?

I don't know from a supercharger standpoint, but I've seen a 350 with an HR put down 500whp and 430ft-lbs on 10psi with the Greddy 20G kit. He daily drives it at 8psi which hovers around 450-460whp.

They've really upgraded the bottom end in the 08 350z compared to the older DE non-rev and rev-up motors.

GTM ran a 14psi pulley on their test Nismo 350 on 100-oct and it put down 487whp and 365ft-lbs.

With a fairly conservative tune on 93 oct I'm sure it could be daily driven with no issues. It obviously wouldn't be 490whp, but I'm sure it would be fine at 450.

Staples 12-29-2010 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kevin1985912 (Post 870246)
I think it's because VQ37VHR has higher compression than the VQ35

Displacement and compression both play a factor in the VHR compared to the HR. HR has a 10.5:1 compression ratio, our motors are 11.0:1... We'll make more power on the same amount of boost.

Buddy Revell 12-29-2010 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin1985912 (Post 870246)
I think it's because VQ37VHR has higher compression than the VQ35

I didn't know the HR engine in the 07-08 Zs had strong enough internals to handle 14 psi even with the lower comp ratio. I had read the older DE engines in the 03-06 Zs w/ stock internals had trouble handling over 10 psi and they had even lower compression than the HR.

1slow370 12-29-2010 09:20 AM

rods in the hr are pretty much the same as ours, pretty much everything is actually the same in the shortblock for the most part our stroke is just a we bit bigger.

Staples 12-29-2010 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 870524)
rods in the hr are pretty much the same as ours, pretty much everything is actually the same in the shortblock for the most part our stroke is just a we bit bigger.

It seems they changed a few things for the better.

Lug 12-29-2010 10:11 PM

Found it....
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...S/P1010284.jpg
Rods
HR, VHR, DE

Mr.Squeeze 12-29-2010 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buddy Revell (Post 870223)
Whoa. A VQ35HR is strong enough to handle 14 psi?

The same 8PSI pulley on the VHR made 11PSI on the HR.

djpathfinder 12-29-2010 11:36 PM

The HR and VHR rods look very similar.

1slow370 12-30-2010 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 871999)
The same 8PSI pulley on the VHR made 11PSI on the HR.

this was thanks to poorer flow, smaller displacement, and less valve overlap(the HR's dual cvtc is tuneable)

Mr.Squeeze 12-31-2010 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 872316)
this was thanks to poorer flow, smaller displacement, and less valve overlap(the HR's dual cvtc is tuneable)

I am aware of this and is the reason I posted it VVEL is the problem:tiphat:


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