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ImportConvert 06-24-2010 10:44 PM

Greddy vs. GTM TT Kit
 
I know there is obviously going to be some competition, and some die-hard supporters of either, so please stick to the facts without the head-bashing.

Which one is better? Which one will last longer? Which one has a more OEM type feel to it?

Things I don't like about Greddy: They seem to skimp. Aluminum, using oil without water cooling, FOAM!? air-filters.

Things that make me unsure of the GTM: It is cheaper...is this because there is less profit margin, or are some of the components made in-house, or what?

NYBladeZ 06-24-2010 10:58 PM

Personally I don't think we've seen enough examples run long term on the streets to make a call. You're also forgetting AAM's turbo kit but that will require an inhouse install, Fusz's Z has it and I believe he's pretty happy with it. I think GTM's success with bullitt's stroker build will show how serious and skilled GTM is.

ImportConvert 06-24-2010 11:48 PM

AAM says something about not re-routing lines off the block and no modification thereof, does the GTM require this?

Also I have read about giving up the windshield washer resivor. Does the GTM give this up?

fairladyZ34 06-25-2010 01:06 AM

who really uses windshield washer fluid anyway?

Q8y_drifter 06-25-2010 04:28 AM

if you live in a desert you do :D

Jordo! 06-25-2010 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fairladyZ34 (Post 592611)
who really uses windshield washer fluid anyway?

Uh... I do :ughdance:




To OP, yeah, unfortunately not much is known on pro's and con's of each, as there are few cars with either kit at the moment.

Really, I'd say compare and contrast the few dynos there are and cost for each and go from there.

Also, the few odds and ends you don't like that come with either kit can be swapped out (e.g., filters).

I'm 95% certain that the greddy kit does not come with a reflash, so that's one other thing to consider, whereas the GTM kit does, I believe.

toner123 06-25-2010 01:05 PM

I have been installing the GTM stage 2 twin turbo kit in my garage on my car for about the last week. I should have the car done by the end of this weekend, and i intend to do a full review on it. I will give all the info from the pros and cons, to how the car feels, and the customer service that I was givin when I ran into problems and had to call Sam. I will tell you this I don't know about other kits but with the GTM I had to drill 2 holes and tap them in my passanger head. This wasn't hard at all SAM sends a template with his kits for this and my god it is idiot proof. Also you have to drill the Upper oil pan for the return lines for the turbo. Like I said by the end of the weekend I will have up a full review thread and give my thoughts and opinions on this kit and that should help you choose which one you want.
Frank

NYBladeZ 06-25-2010 01:22 PM

TONER, are you planning on dyno testing after all is said and done? I know the last person who did the at home install ran a super conservative tune until he got on the dyno. What power goals are you shooting for??

JB-370z 06-25-2010 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 592436)
Personally I don't think we've seen enough examples run long term on the streets to make a call. You're also forgetting AAM's turbo kit but that will require an inhouse install, Fusz's Z has it and I believe he's pretty happy with it. I think GTM's success with bullitt's stroker build will show how serious and skilled GTM is.

I think your right here buddy. Neither kit has had enough time to prove their self. They both look nice, sound nice and provide great numbers. GTM seems to have a one stop shop for all your needs in the proformance arena and so does greddy. But no one has put a ton of miles on the car yet, well at least not to my knowledge. Greddy does not come with BB turbos and like another said, they also dont throw water into the equation. AAM's kit is for sure a winner and Lou is living proof. The only thing is it is a in house install only. So the only kits to install yourself or have a local shop install would be the Greddy and the GTM and they both seem to be high quality but just not enough long term data at this point. Well at least from the 370z crowd.

Does the Greddy offer a tune out of the box???

SAM@GTM 06-25-2010 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 592422)
I know there is obviously going to be some competition, and some die-hard supporters of either, so please stick to the facts without the head-bashing.

Which one is better? Which one will last longer? Which one has a more OEM type feel to it?

Things I don't like about Greddy: They seem to skimp. Aluminum, using oil without water cooling, FOAM!? air-filters.

Things that make me unsure of the GTM: It is cheaper...is this because there is less profit margin, or are some of the components made in-house, or what?

Let compare some of the main pros and cons ;)

-GTM kit comes with Pre-Bent Stainless Steel Heat Shields Greddy does not offer any heat shields over the manifold
-GTM Bar and Plate Core Intercooler vs Greddy tube and fin core (bar and plate is proven to be more efficient )
-GTM Ball Bering water and oil cooled Garret turbo VS Greddy journal bushing type turbo and oil cooled only (ball bearing turbos spool faster,more efficient,have a much longer life span and for the 370z oil temp issues going with water cooled turbo is no brainer.
-GTM kit does come with tial 50mm blow off valves VS Greddy No blow off valves are supplied.
-GTM kit is complete with fuel and engine management VS Greddy does not come with neither (have to by separate)
-GTM engine managemen is plug and play (via flash ) Greddy is piggy back system required cutting splicing engine harness.
-GTM kit has a lot of room to grow (6 different turbo stages 9 different a/r ) VS GReddy has one turbo option only available.
-GTM kit cheaper and has better value, you get more for what you pay for VS Greddy
-GTM offers 2 different couplers colors VS Greddy only one
-GTM offers k&n filter VS Greddy foam filters

Sam

cptspeed 06-25-2010 03:37 PM

Great answer!

JB-370z 06-25-2010 05:02 PM

Nice Sam.
Another reason to go with GTM, Sam answers all your questions :)

SPOHN 06-25-2010 08:30 PM

How do you like them apples?
Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 593342)
Let compare some of the main pros and cons ;)

-GTM kit comes with Pre-Bent Stainless Steel Heat Shields Greddy does not offer any heat shields over the manifold
-GTM Bar and Plate Core Intercooler vs Greddy tube and fin core (bar and plate is proven to be more efficient )
-GTM Ball Bering water and oil cooled Garret turbo VS Greddy journal bushing type turbo and oil cooled only (ball bearing turbos spool faster,more efficient,have a much longer life span and for the 370z oil temp issues going with water cooled turbo is no brainer.
-GTM kit does come with tial 50mm blow off valves VS Greddy No blow off valves are supplied.
-GTM kit is complete with fuel and engine management VS Greddy does not come with neither (have to by separate)
-GTM engine managemen is plug and play (via flash ) Greddy is piggy back system required cutting splicing engine harness.
-GTM kit has a lot of room to grow (6 different turbo stages 9 different a/r ) VS GReddy has one turbo option only available.
-GTM kit cheaper and has better value, you get more for what you pay for VS Greddy
-GTM offers 2 different couplers colors VS Greddy only one
-GTM offers k&n filter VS Greddy foam filters

Sam


Brazilbro 06-25-2010 09:09 PM

Greddy is :owned:

toner123 06-26-2010 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 592510)
AAM says something about not re-routing lines off the block and no modification thereof, does the GTM require this?

Also I have read about giving up the windshield washer resivor. Does the GTM give this up?

yea say good bye to it. no way to keep it and route IC lines

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 593135)
TONER, are you planning on dyno testing after all is said and done? I know the last person who did the at home install ran a super conservative tune until he got on the dyno. What power goals are you shooting for??

Yes I do plan on dyno testing as SAM want's to know what my air to fuel ratio is before I get on the car. The last person that did the home install modme is who I am thinking you are refuring to. He didn't choose to have the conservative tune. When you buy the turn key kit you have to email sam your ecu #, and then he sends you your new tune. Every car is different so there for the tune has to be conservative or you might blow up your engine. The conservative tune is to protect you and GTM from possible engine failure and pointing the finger. Once I get my A/F ration I will call sam and let him know what it is and he will let me know what adjusments he will make. I didn't get that far yet so I am not a 100% positive if he will send me a new tune once he gets the info on how my car is reacting. My power goals are 500rwhp, that is plenty for the street anything more is just asking for problems with the law or accidents. I am a few hours away before starting my car to see how the build went. I have to connect vacum lines, add power stearing fluid and put some oil in my engine then I will be ready to go. In other words I am going to find out what I forgot to tighten lol. Also I think I am the first person to do this on a 370z as a home project. Like I said I plan on doing a full review of the product and problems that I ran into during installation as soon as I get the car done.
Frank

toner123 06-26-2010 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 593342)
Let compare some of the main pros and cons ;)

-GTM kit comes with Pre-Bent Stainless Steel Heat Shields Greddy does not offer any heat shields over the manifold
-GTM Bar and Plate Core Intercooler vs Greddy tube and fin core (bar and plate is proven to be more efficient )
-GTM Ball Bering water and oil cooled Garret turbo VS Greddy journal bushing type turbo and oil cooled only (ball bearing turbos spool faster,more efficient,have a much longer life span and for the 370z oil temp issues going with water cooled turbo is no brainer.
-GTM kit does come with tial 50mm blow off valves VS Greddy No blow off valves are supplied.
-GTM kit is complete with fuel and engine management VS Greddy does not come with neither (have to by separate)
-GTM engine managemen is plug and play (via flash ) Greddy is piggy back system required cutting splicing engine harness.
-GTM kit has a lot of room to grow (6 different turbo stages 9 different a/r ) VS GReddy has one turbo option only available.
-GTM kit cheaper and has better value, you get more for what you pay for VS Greddy
-GTM offers 2 different couplers colors VS Greddy only one
-GTM offers k&n filter VS Greddy foam filters

Sam

Lets not forget SAM GTM customer service is by far the greatest. People how many other companies do you know that you can call at 1:00 am and still get help through problems? Also that 1am call was cali time so I am 3 hours ahead of him. I wanna know when SAM sleeps lol. Going with GTM in my opinion is a no brainer. OP give SAM a call and talk to him I promise you he wont let you down.
Frank

#452-LE 06-26-2010 03:07 PM

I am buying the GTM Stage 2 kit and not the Greddy. The End.

Red370 06-26-2010 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 593342)
Let compare some of the main pros and cons ;)

-GTM kit comes with Pre-Bent Stainless Steel Heat Shields Greddy does not offer any heat shields over the manifold
-GTM Bar and Plate Core Intercooler vs Greddy tube and fin core (bar and plate is proven to be more efficient )
-GTM Ball Bering water and oil cooled Garret turbo VS Greddy journal bushing type turbo and oil cooled only (ball bearing turbos spool faster,more efficient,have a much longer life span and for the 370z oil temp issues going with water cooled turbo is no brainer.
-GTM kit does come with tial 50mm blow off valves VS Greddy No blow off valves are supplied.
-GTM kit is complete with fuel and engine management VS Greddy does not come with neither (have to by separate)
-GTM engine managemen is plug and play (via flash ) Greddy is piggy back system required cutting splicing engine harness.
-GTM kit has a lot of room to grow (6 different turbo stages 9 different a/r ) VS GReddy has one turbo option only available.
-GTM kit cheaper and has better value, you get more for what you pay for VS Greddy
-GTM offers 2 different couplers colors VS Greddy only one
-GTM offers k&n filter VS Greddy foam filters

Sam

no bigger self promoter on the site :rofl2:

Q8y_drifter 06-26-2010 03:27 PM

For those of you worried about the windshield washer reservoir, you can buy an aftermarket reservoir that mounts in the trunk. GTM sells the kit for something like $100.

toner123 06-26-2010 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Q8y_drifter (Post 594728)
For those of you worried about the windshield washer reservoir, you can buy an aftermarket reservoir that mounts in the trunk. GTM sells the kit for something like $100.

Really, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info, I will have to get one 100 bucks isn't bad

toner123 06-26-2010 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 594725)
no bigger self promoter on the site :rofl2:

Does he not have every right to be? One he is running a bussiness, 2. he is putting out porducts of the highest quality, 3. They care about there customers. Go buy a twin turbo kit at turbo-kits.com and see if they will sit on the phone with you for over an hour helping you install the kit you just purchased from them.

Op asked for the differance and which one was better. Sam came in and cleared the differances up. If greddy gave a damn why didn't they post, or is it because they aren't on the forums listening to what there customers want or need. I am not trying to attack you and sorry if it seems that way but that seemed like a very unneeded comment
Frank

SAM@GTM 06-26-2010 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 594668)
yea say good bye to it. no way to keep it and route IC lines



Yes I do plan on dyno testing as SAM want's to know what my air to fuel ratio is before I get on the car. The last person that did the home install modme is who I am thinking you are refuring to. He didn't choose to have the conservative tune. When you buy the turn key kit you have to email sam your ecu #, and then he sends you your new tune. Every car is different so there for the tune has to be conservative or you might blow up your engine. The conservative tune is to protect you and GTM from possible engine failure and pointing the finger. Once I get my A/F ration I will call sam and let him know what it is and he will let me know what adjusments he will make. I didn't get that far yet so I am not a 100% positive if he will send me a new tune once he gets the info on how my car is reacting. My power goals are 500rwhp, that is plenty for the street anything more is just asking for problems with the law or accidents. I am a few hours away before starting my car to see how the build went. I have to connect vacum lines, add power stearing fluid and put some oil in my engine then I will be ready to go. In other words I am going to find out what I forgot to tighten lol. Also I think I am the first person to do this on a 370z as a home project. Like I said I plan on doing a full review of the product and problems that I ran into during installation as soon as I get the car done.
Frank


Frank

The tune that you have is the final tune we have a proven formula that we use and it does work spot on. it is always a good idea to verify the install before start enjoying the car. you need to make sure the a/f and the boost is where is suppose to be and that a common procedure in any force induction install .

Keep up the good work .

Sam

Q8y_drifter 06-26-2010 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 594739)
Really, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info, I will have to get one 100 bucks isn't bad

it's actually $52. I dunno why I said $100 lol

GTM Motorsports*::*ENGINE EXTERNALS*::*Windshield Washer Reservoir kit

SAM@GTM 06-26-2010 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Q8y_drifter (Post 594728)
For those of you worried about the windshield washer reservoir, you can buy an aftermarket reservoir that mounts in the trunk. GTM sells the kit for something like $100.

52.11 to be exact

GTM Motorsports*::*ENGINE EXTERNALS*::*Windshield W.Reservoir*::*Windshield Washer Reservoir kit

Sam

AndyZ 06-26-2010 03:59 PM

I trusted Sam and still trusting him
Got in little problem. Sam def will help out

SAM@GTM 06-26-2010 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 594739)
Really, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info, I will have to get one 100 bucks isn't bad


We just came up with this part, this will be included with all our supercharger and turbo kits so you wont have to buy it we will send you one .

Sam

Q8y_drifter 06-26-2010 04:03 PM

Time to take out the reservoir kit off my mods list lmao! xD

toner123 06-26-2010 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 594771)
We just came up with this part, this will be included with all our supercharger and turbo kits so you wont have to buy it we will send you one .

Sam

HAHA sexy I love it lol thanks sam. Waiting for my buddy to get here to start her up. BTW thanks for all the vacum hose sam I screwed up and still had enough to do the job right greatly appreciate it
Frank

huff442 06-26-2010 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 593342)
Let compare some of the main pros and cons ;)

-GTM kit comes with Pre-Bent Stainless Steel Heat Shields Greddy does not offer any heat shields over the manifold
-GTM Bar and Plate Core Intercooler vs Greddy tube and fin core (bar and plate is proven to be more efficient )
-GTM Ball Bering water and oil cooled Garret turbo VS Greddy journal bushing type turbo and oil cooled only (ball bearing turbos spool faster,more efficient,have a much longer life span and for the 370z oil temp issues going with water cooled turbo is no brainer.
-GTM kit does come with tial 50mm blow off valves VS Greddy No blow off valves are supplied.
-GTM kit is complete with fuel and engine management VS Greddy does not come with neither (have to by separate)
-GTM engine managemen is plug and play (via flash ) Greddy is piggy back system required cutting splicing engine harness.
-GTM kit has a lot of room to grow (6 different turbo stages 9 different a/r ) VS GReddy has one turbo option only available.
-GTM kit cheaper and has better value, you get more for what you pay for VS Greddy
-GTM offers 2 different couplers colors VS Greddy only one
-GTM offers k&n filter VS Greddy foam filters

Sam


'Nuff said...

SAM@GTM 06-26-2010 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 594725)
no bigger self promoter on the site :rofl2:

We are very proud and passionate about what we do here at GTM. You can call it what ever you want :icon23:

Sam

Red370 06-26-2010 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 594748)
Does he not have every right to be? One he is running a bussiness, 2. he is putting out porducts of the highest quality, 3. They care about there customers. Go buy a twin turbo kit at turbo-kits.com and see if they will sit on the phone with you for over an hour helping you install the kit you just purchased from them.

Op asked for the differance and which one was better. Sam came in and cleared the differances up. If greddy gave a damn why didn't they post, or is it because they aren't on the forums listening to what there customers want or need. I am not trying to attack you and sorry if it seems that way but that seemed like a very unneeded comment
Frank

^ Unneeded.

And to Sam, not taking anything from your business, but every post you make seems to embellish the fact that everything you guys make blows the competition away, I seem to remember a particular oil cooler problem that keeps recurring.... Anywho, the Greddy kit contains just as many quality parts, its unfortunate for them that they dont have anyone here to defend their setup.:ugh2:

Q8y_drifter 06-26-2010 04:56 PM

Greddy's kit contains much less parts that are lower in quality and none of the great support and service that GTM's kit comes with. In that case, then yes GTM's kit is definitely superior.

Seb@SZ 06-26-2010 08:31 PM

Can't wait to get our GTM kit in!!!!
:tup:

Be on the look out for pics and blog write up.

ImportConvert 06-27-2010 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 594771)
We just came up with this part, this will be included with all our supercharger and turbo kits so you wont have to buy it we will send you one .

Sam

That mounting picture looks very un-trunk-like...

DannyGT 06-28-2010 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 594831)
^ Unneeded.

And to Sam, not taking anything from your business, but every post you make seems to embellish the fact that everything you guys make blows the competition away, I seem to remember a particular oil cooler problem that keeps recurring.... Anywho, the Greddy kit contains just as many quality parts, its unfortunate for them that they dont have anyone here to defend their setup.:ugh2:

Its funny because I dont think he claimed once that he 'blows everyone out of the water'...What he did claim was FACTS, something you apparently cannot give. The WHAAA WHHAAAA WHINE of "Greddy is good too" holds what fact? Yes, they make a good product...Guess what, GTMs product is greater/superior at a lower cost with better components.

I think the OP asked for the difference's and Sam was happy to give them. Whats the problem again? End.

Brazilbro 06-28-2010 02:48 PM

:iagree:

NYBladeZ 06-28-2010 02:57 PM

Ok so it's well discussed that thus far GTM's TT kit comes off as the best due to the quality, their customer service, and the fact that it comes in kit form where AAM does not.

So all I have left to say to Sam is how about you guys figure out that S/C kit because I really want to match it with LTH's. I have faith that in time GTM will figure it out.

Sam I sent you a PM about the stroker, when you get a chance bud....

ImportConvert 07-02-2010 11:11 PM

I still want to know about the wavy hp curve on all the dyno's I have seen.

#452-LE 09-09-2010 08:35 AM

Bump

Stage 2 GTM TT kit ordered and eagerly waiting arrival!!!


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