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Originally Posted by MMC Racing How many Cobra, Lightnings, or ZR1's do you see swapping to centrifugal? If you have a traction problem you solve it with suspension, tires, and

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Old 06-24-2010, 07:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How many Cobra, Lightnings, or ZR1's do you see swapping to centrifugal? If you have a traction problem you solve it with suspension, tires, and weight transfer, not by swapping blowers.
Who said anything about swapping blowers? The intent of my statement above is for STREET applications. My opinion is that you're better off with a centrifugal rather than a roots type blower because of power delivery, based on what type of motor you have in the first place.

Small motors that make power at higher rpm levels will benefit more from a roots type blower due to lack of torque and power in the lower rpm range. larger motors with good torque characteristics benefit from using centrifiguls since they already have the torque and power down low and need help breathing on the top end.

Both supercharges will work and peform well but after owning both and in different applications I preffer the centrifugal with a motor like the 3.7 in the Z. And the reason why is becaue of traction, I don't have any desire to set my Z up like a drag car just to get better traction when I can make as much usable horsepower with a centrifugal as a roots and have more tractible power in the range I would use it.
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Who said anything about swapping blowers? The intent of my statement above is for STREET applications. My opinion is that you're better off with a centrifugal rather than a roots type blower because of power delivery, based on what type of motor you have in the first place.

Small motors that make power at higher rpm levels will benefit more from a roots type blower due to lack of torque and power in the lower rpm range. larger motors with good torque characteristics benefit from using centrifiguls since they already have the torque and power down low and need help breathing on the top end.

Both supercharges will work and peform well but after owning both and in different applications I preffer the centrifugal with a motor like the 3.7 in the Z. And the reason why is becaue of traction, I don't have any desire to set my Z up like a drag car just to get better traction when I can make as much usable horsepower with a centrifugal as a roots and have more tractible power in the range I would use it.
I don't know about you but 3.7 liters is small in my book.
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I don't know about you but 3.7 liters is small in my book.
It's all relative as far as size and an engines characteristics. Myself, with the good torquedelivery and gearing of the 3.7 in the Z, I beleive the the centrifugal is the better choice for tractibility and control. I have had a few FI rods in my day and it is important to match the FI systems up with the the motor based on the characteristics of the motor i.e. cams, power delivry, before hp and tq levels and where in the power band their the strongest/weakest.

By no meas is the 3.7 a big torquey motor, but it does offer good torque down low and the gearing puts it in the meat of that torque pretty quick. So, to maintain a level of traction and control the centrifugal is the way to go in my book.
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It's all relative as far as size and an engines characteristics. Myself, with the good torquedelivery and gearing of the 3.7 in the Z, I beleive the the centrifugal is the better choice for tractibility and control. I have had a few FI rods in my day and it is important to match the FI systems up with the the motor based on the characteristics of the motor i.e. cams, power delivry, before hp and tq levels and where in the power band their the strongest/weakest.

By no meas is the 3.7 a big torquey motor, but it does offer good torque down low and the gearing puts it in the meat of that torque pretty quick. So, to maintain a level of traction and control the centrifugal is the way to go in my book.
You are right and I happen to like the way a centrifugal S/C makes power. But in most cases in a stop light to stop light situation positive displacement blowers win.

I guess it all comes down to what you are going for. Sometimes the lack of tractability is what is fun. I like having a car that can get squirly in 3rd or 4th on the highway, it doesn't make for good times around the track but it does make for good entertainment.

Actually the thing about the GTM S/C I like the most is the use of the Rotrex. It seems like it might be a good balance between the two.
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Who said anything about swapping blowers? The intent of my statement above is for STREET applications. My opinion is that you're better off with a centrifugal rather than a roots type blower because of power delivery, based on what type of motor you have in the first place.

Small motors that make power at higher rpm levels will benefit more from a roots type blower due to lack of torque and power in the lower rpm range. larger motors with good torque characteristics benefit from using centrifiguls since they already have the torque and power down low and need help breathing on the top end.

Both supercharges will work and peform well but after owning both and in different applications I preffer the centrifugal with a motor like the 3.7 in the Z. And the reason why is becaue of traction, I don't have any desire to set my Z up like a drag car just to get better traction when I can make as much usable horsepower with a centrifugal as a roots and have more tractible power in the range I would use it.
We aren't driving 4 baggers here. Our engines are perfect for "roots" (using the term generically, I prefer twin screw). "roots" got a bad name the 350z world because Stillen used too small a model on the 350z (for clearance reasons probably, but still..). I guess ZR1 owners should be told their cars aren't trackable.
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We aren't driving 4 baggers here. Our engines are perfect for "roots" (using the term generically, I prefer twin screw). "roots" got a bad name the 350z world because Stillen used too small a model on the 350z (for clearance reasons probably, but still..). I guess ZR1 owners should be told their cars aren't trackable.
NOT "Trackable" but Tractible - meaning problem maintaining traction particularly from a standing stop or low speeds when agressive on the throttle.

I'm sure a ZR1 would do just fine on a track whether during a track day or competing. Don't get me wrong I like roots (in particular) twin screws, it's just my opinion that for MY Z I would rather have the centrifugal for the street. I'm not a racer and never will be. I like my cars to perform on the street. And once again not that a roots would no peforma well on the street it's just that I prefer the centrifagul's characteristics over the roots for street application.

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guys lets clear this up a bit they are called positive displacement superchargers. there are roots, twinscrew, and G-rotor or scroll types. centrifugals are all variable displacement. in know roots is easier to say but you confuse the newbs and are hard to understand when you mix them up. on that note positive displacement superchargers disagree with the vvel and open throttlebodies and it currently* cannot be done on our cars. variable superchargers only work because of their sh*ty performance characteristics at low rpms.
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