2010 370Z NISMO Twin Turbo build courtesy of GTM

toner123 · 06-08-2010, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

Damn fine question, Frank. I have never asked Sam, but will do so and let you know if he doesn't respond to this thread before then.

Well I am glade that you find it a good question. I did some research before i posted that and there are so many reviews of others contradicting what others say. One person states that the 224 and 248 will give same results. One person replies calling him a idiot and says the 224 will give a higher rwhp then the 248 because the drum is lighter, blah blah blah. With all the dynos out how the hell do we really know what are rwhp is. dyno dynamics reads an average of 10-15% lower then a dyno jet. So who's number are real lol. There has to be a standard set here or I am going to develop a dyno that will say you have 600 rwhp after all you did is install intakes. I hope I am making my point clear in what I just wrote. All the BS just makes it that more confusing in what dyno you wanna run on. If I went to run on a dyno dynamics hen the rwhp should some what equal the same that I would get off of a dyno jet
Frank

bullitt5897 · 06-08-2010, 09:45 AM

Dyno dynamics and dynojet both measure resistance load differently hence why they give different numbers. You got to remember people have seen numbers to vary on the same dyno just by how tight they strap down the subject car... I agree there needs to be a set standard that we follow by. Maybe we should start a thread about this and have the vendors chime in on what they use and why they chose that style or model...

Great Topic Frank!

p.s. you let me know when your dyno comes out!!! I want to put my car on that! shoot if I am going to be making power in the 1xxx+ range on a regular dyno lmao yours would be like 2xxx+ hahahahaha

FuszNissan · 06-08-2010, 10:34 AM

Where's your car at Bullitt, I must see some build pics.

bullitt5897 · 06-08-2010, 11:24 AM

Sam will be posting my thread in the next few day hopefully. it is sure to be one of the most Technical and in depth threads on the370z. I talked with him about it last night. The thread will discuss a lot of the details of my build in depth and the reasoning behind the technology used. We have been waiting on the build to get to a certain stage before posting up my thread. Also, it is taking Sam some time to put together his in depth documentation on the build. Lets just say this project is for sure ground breaking in the history of the 370z and VVEL technology. so stay tuned my brothers we have a wild ride ahead of us!!!

stormcrow · 06-08-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

I am going to need a set in a few weeks lol the wheel colors got finalized woot woot

Just run with some bad-*** negative camber! *haha*

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Originally Posted by drisko

Great job! This has got to be the best 370 I've seen on this forum so far.

Very much appreciated! Thanks for the compliment!

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Originally Posted by toner123

Well I am glade that you find it a good question. I did some research before i posted that and there are so many reviews of others contradicting what others say. One person states that the 224 and 248 will give same results. One person replies calling him a idiot and says the 224 will give a higher rwhp then the 248 because the drum is lighter, blah blah blah. With all the dynos out how the hell do we really know what are rwhp is. dyno dynamics reads an average of 10-15% lower then a dyno jet. So who's number are real lol. There has to be a standard set here or I am going to develop a dyno that will say you have 600 rwhp after all you did is install intakes. I hope I am making my point clear in what I just wrote. All the BS just makes it that more confusing in what dyno you wanna run on. If I went to run on a dyno dynamics hen the rwhp should some what equal the same that I would get off of a dyno jet
Frank

Frank, I gave up long ago chasing a number. In truth, the dyno operator can make the dyno say whatever he wants it to say. I would go with a reputable tuner and then take it to another dyno for a cross comparison and call it a day. If there is not a huge discrepancy in numbers, I wouldn't pursue it further. I would go as far as to say that even a 20-30whp difference on the same type of dyno would be sufficient for me not to balk. Granted if one shows 50-60whp different and they are not load based vs inertia (mustang/dyno dynamics vs. DJ) then I might dig further. Someone's inflating the numbers in that instance.

Chris@FsP · 06-08-2010, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toner123

Well I am glade that you find it a good question. I did some research before i posted that and there are so many reviews of others contradicting what others say. One person states that the 224 and 248 will give same results. One person replies calling him a idiot and says the 224 will give a higher rwhp then the 248 because the drum is lighter, blah blah blah. With all the dynos out how the hell do we really know what are rwhp is. dyno dynamics reads an average of 10-15% lower then a dyno jet. So who's number are real lol. There has to be a standard set here or I am going to develop a dyno that will say you have 600 rwhp after all you did is install intakes. I hope I am making my point clear in what I just wrote. All the BS just makes it that more confusing in what dyno you wanna run on. If I went to run on a dyno dynamics hen the rwhp should some what equal the same that I would get off of a dyno jet
Frank

Trap speeds are a pretty good indicator of rwhp

cjof2003 · 06-08-2010, 09:45 PM

Very nice car man (saw it parked outside my office buildings today

). Definitely one of if not my favorites 370s that I've seen.

stormcrow · 06-08-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cjof2003

Very nice car man (saw it parked outside my office buildings today

). Definitely one of if not my favorites 370s that I've seen.

Thanks, man. Let me guess, your office buildings are in the Galleria?

Sylvan Lake V · 06-08-2010, 11:41 PM

Nice build, you sound alot like me...with my G35 throwing tons of $$$$$ and parts at it for huge power and have had nothing but headaches. I have been convinced for awhile a G37 with a simple TT set is the way to go for me. After reading your thread and your opinion on the GTR (I have heard the same from former high HP 350z owners) I think its only a matter of time before I do a G37 with the GTM kit and shoot for the 550-600whp range. Thanks for the excellent write up and honest opinions I have found it very helpful, Congrats on a great looking car with a sick build

Chris@FsP · 06-09-2010, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylvan Lake V

Nice build, you sound alot like me...with my G35 throwing tons of $$$$$ and parts at it for huge power and have had nothing but headaches. I have been convinced for awhile a G37 with a simple TT set is the way to go for me. After reading your thread and your opinion on the GTR (I have heard the same from former high HP 350z owners) I think its only a matter of time before I do a G37 with the GTM kit and shoot for the 550-600whp range. Thanks for the excellent write up and honest opinions I have found it very helpful, Congrats on a great looking car with a sick build

If you go that route, you won't be disappointed

VHR/HR motors are just begging for boost. I've found that the powerband is much more usable than on the DE's, where you are scrambling to find traction at anything over 3k rpm.

Baker · 06-09-2010, 10:15 AM

Car looks greats, very clean. Almost seems a few simple mods are done, until you pop the hood.

lando76 · 06-09-2010, 09:12 PM

f ya that setup is so clean. GTM makes a drop dead sexy kit. Im glad there are people in this world that get to experince the pleasures of life as you do. Most of us will not but letting us into a bit of your paradise makes us all feel good.

stormcrow · 06-10-2010, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylvan Lake V

Nice build, you sound alot like me...with my G35 throwing tons of $$$$$ and parts at it for huge power and have had nothing but headaches. I have been convinced for awhile a G37 with a simple TT set is the way to go for me. After reading your thread and your opinion on the GTR (I have heard the same from former high HP 350z owners) I think its only a matter of time before I do a G37 with the GTM kit and shoot for the 550-600whp range. Thanks for the excellent write up and honest opinions I have found it very helpful, Congrats on a great looking car with a sick build

Thanks for the feedback, Sylvan Lake V. As Chris said above, do it and you will be much more happy than you are at the present moment. Honestly, there is nothing like driving a very nice OEM car, having it run like OEM...but, with a good bit of power. Right now, I really couldn't ask for more. Even when she is a bit tempermental (and she has been recently with some front bumper damage) I still love her.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lando76

f ya that setup is so clean. GTM makes a drop dead sexy kit. Im glad there are people in this world that get to experince the pleasures of life as you do. Most of us will not but letting us into a bit of your paradise makes us all feel good.

It's funny that you say that. I have recently been thinking, a lot, about how fortunate I have been being able to build the 350Z, owning the GT-R and now having the 370Z and its build. I honestly think that I'm reaching a crossroad where I want to start paying some of that forward. Posts like yours are helping me make a very hard decision. Thanks, sir.

Viera · 06-10-2010, 11:40 AM

Damn, Storm... your Z is lookin' real good. Wish you could join us this Saturday for our mountain run!

And Bullitt, what's the ETA of the installation?

stormcrow · 06-10-2010, 12:01 PM

Z1804 has already PM'ed me the details and an invite. It seems there is about an 80% chance that I will be able to attend. I am awaiting a call to cement my final plans for this weekend. I truly hope I can make it out as the alternative is not going to be nearly as fun.

06-08-2010, 09:45 AM	#197 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	Dyno dynamics and dynojet both measure resistance load differently hence why they give different numbers. You got to remember people have seen numbers to vary on the same dyno just by how tight they strap down the subject car... I agree there needs to be a set standard that we follow by. Maybe we should start a thread about this and have the vendors chime in on what they use and why they chose that style or model... Great Topic Frank! p.s. you let me know when your dyno comes out!!! I want to put my car on that! shoot if I am going to be making power in the 1xxx+ range on a regular dyno lmao yours would be like 2xxx+ hahahahaha __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

06-08-2010, 10:34 AM	#198 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	Where's your car at Bullitt, I must see some build pics. __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

06-08-2010, 11:24 AM	#199 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	Sam will be posting my thread in the next few day hopefully. it is sure to be one of the most Technical and in depth threads on the370z. I talked with him about it last night. The thread will discuss a lot of the details of my build in depth and the reasoning behind the technology used. We have been waiting on the build to get to a certain stage before posting up my thread. Also, it is taking Sam some time to put together his in depth documentation on the build. Lets just say this project is for sure ground breaking in the history of the 370z and VVEL technology. so stay tuned my brothers we have a wild ride ahead of us!!! __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

06-08-2010, 11:41 PM	#204 (permalink)
Sylvan Lake V Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alberta Posts: 64 Drives: 03 G35 TT Rep Power: 16	Nice build, you sound alot like me...with my G35 throwing tons of $$$$$ and parts at it for huge power and have had nothing but headaches. I have been convinced for awhile a G37 with a simple TT set is the way to go for me. After reading your thread and your opinion on the GTR (I have heard the same from former high HP 350z owners) I think its only a matter of time before I do a G37 with the GTM kit and shoot for the 550-600whp range. Thanks for the excellent write up and honest opinions I have found it very helpful, Congrats on a great looking car with a sick build WI_Hedgehog likes this. __________________ 2003 G35TT JWT twin turbo 850bb kit tuned to 589whp & 609trq by Lightspeed Innovations http://www.canibeat.com/2010/07/the-...form-function/

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