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wishihadnav 05-28-2010 06:52 PM

however i believe the Greddy kit uses disco potatos which are known to push 3 inch piping without any trouble..

LiquidZ 05-28-2010 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wishihadnav (Post 554714)
however i believe the Greddy kit uses disco potatos which are known to push 3 inch piping without any trouble..

Actually, TD06SH-20g's.

Disco potato is a Garrett GT2860RS.

wishihadnav 05-28-2010 08:00 PM

^oh 20g's aren't too bad..id probably ditch those however n run 28r's..haha

stormcrow 05-28-2010 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 554648)
Hmm, 3" was recommended for bigger turbo setups on the STI (2.5l F4). Much smaller engine, granted target boost was 23psi for me then, but I would imagine the 3.7TT flows a lot more than the 2.5T did. Freer is better for FI apps. .02

Single vs. dual is apples to oranges. Bigger is not always better, even when speaking of FI applications. If it were, why not go 4" or 5"? The reason is that exhaust flows in pulses and if it gets too cool due to a slower rate of flow (bigger exhaust will flow more slowly..especially if oversized for the application) the fluid dynamics change as well as the weight of the air mass. This can cause the exhaust to "back up" in the exhaust sytem and the motor to work harder to expel it.

In truth, with the bends, length, resonators and such in place in different exhausts, it is hard to truly say what diameter exhaust will flow the best. Only flow rate tests can determine this. Who has time for that? :)

EDIT - BTW, the most restrictive portion of the exhaust system is the manifold(s).

Mike 05-28-2010 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 554784)
single vs. Dual is apples to oranges. Bigger is not always better, even when speaking of fi applications. If it were, why not go 4" or 5"? The reason is that exhaust flows in pulses and if it gets too cool due to a slower rate of flow (bigger exhaust will flow more slowly..especially if oversized for the application) the fluid dynamics change as well as the weight of the air mass. This can cause the exhaust to "back up" in the exhaust sytem and the motor to work harder to expel it.

In truth, with the bends, length, resonators and such in place in different exhausts, it is hard to truly say what diameter exhaust will flow the best. Only flow rate tests can determine this. Who has time for that? :)

edit - btw, the most restrictive portion of the exhaust system is the manifold(s).

troof!

toner123 05-28-2010 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 554637)
No problem, Frank. Glad you could learn a bit and that I could help. I look forward to your thread with your final build and results! :)




No reason for 3" for 500whp on a DJ on the 3.7l motor. Actually, if you go with internal wastegates (which I did) you can have issue with boost creep/spikes on larger exhaust. I'm not sure if Frank went with external wastegates or not and would not have issue if so...but, he will still be fine with his goals on 2.5" exhaust. Maybe a little more wear on the compressors over time, but not much.

Now if you "massage" the downpipe(s) into 1" there may be issues. :ugh2:

Like you I did go with the internal wastegates. Like I said for the kit wise I stuck to your build for the most part. Simply because you had the same goals as me and the biggest reason to be honest this will be the first FI i did and you have struck me as a person that knows what is going on and how to do the job right. I am extremely excited to put this together and install it on my car. I have a buddy that is going to be helping me that is well qualified with this type of stuff and Sam told me that my kit is going to be shipping with the instructional DVD(thats why my kit hasn't shipped yet). It seems to me this 2.5 or 3 in exhaust is a ongoing battle like i said earlier to fuz and i think it mainly comes down to your goals. I am going to stay with the 2.5 and ride it out and see what happens. I have a strong feeling that it will turn out well and because of Sam's words which i quote "You will not be disappointed".
Frank

FuszNissan 05-29-2010 08:26 AM

Well, to play devils advocate, I am running a 3" catted down pipe, into a 2.5" true dual exhaust. I am tuned at 470RWHP and locked at 6.5 psi.

stormcrow 05-29-2010 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 554937)
Like you I did go with the internal wastegates. Like I said for the kit wise I stuck to your build for the most part. Simply because you had the same goals as me and the biggest reason to be honest this will be the first FI i did and you have struck me as a person that knows what is going on and how to do the job right. I am extremely excited to put this together and install it on my car. I have a buddy that is going to be helping me that is well qualified with this type of stuff and Sam told me that my kit is going to be shipping with the instructional DVD(thats why my kit hasn't shipped yet). It seems to me this 2.5 or 3 in exhaust is a ongoing battle like i said earlier to fuz and i think it mainly comes down to your goals. I am going to stay with the 2.5 and ride it out and see what happens. I have a strong feeling that it will turn out well and because of Sam's words which i quote "You will not be disappointed".
Frank

With the internal gates you will be better off with the 2.5" all the way around combo. I would say, though, to stay within the 450-475whp range. I turned up the boost on mine yesterday for the first time to the high boost of a whopping 8.6psi and 520whp and traction was an issue. Second gear hated me and I quickly reverted back to the lower boost. It was not so much the upper HP causing the issue, but the higher torque numbers down low. Too much for the street IMHO. I think I'm just getting old. *haha*

toner123 05-29-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 555078)
With the internal gates you will be better off with the 2.5" all the way around combo. I would say, though, to stay within the 450-475whp range. I turned up the boost on mine yesterday for the first time to the high boost of a whopping 8.6psi and 520whp and traction was an issue. Second gear hated me and I quickly reverted back to the lower boost. It was not so much the upper HP causing the issue, but the higher torque numbers down low. Too much for the street IMHO. I think I'm just getting old. *haha*

yea thats where i am going to stay i don't want anymore then 500rwhp. Like i said i am super excited and can't wait to get this all done. I took a week of leave that way i can just sit down and take my time to do this. My Buddy is going to come over and help me out on the weekend to get me started and provide direction if I have any questions and after work he is going to shoot over. As for getting old I don't think thats the problem with not being able to stick lol. I think others between this forum and my350z were having this issue also with all stock. I don't know maybe I made that up lol. The last concern I have is just my warranty. I understand that I pretty much tossed that out the window on the engine and drive train, just if my headlights don't work I don't want the dealership to be like Ohh yea they don't work because of the TT kit you installed so warranty wont cover it lol.
Frank

PS fuz since I seen you reply on this, off topic I am in the market for a altima coupe new(hint hint). I spent my money to play now she want to play also, can't blame her lol

toner123 05-29-2010 10:52 PM

hey storm or anyone else, i have a question do you think I need a electronic boost controller. If so i have to figure out where the heck to put it lol. Thanks
Frank

LunaZ 05-30-2010 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 553396)
i love how a TT 370 looks bone stock just with long tube intakes... even with the hood open, total sleeper

Agreed! It looks like a lowered Nismo with an exhaust and intakes.
If it was my car, I'd skip the pillar gauges because I think they add a hint of "rice" to what is a phenomenal, beautiful car that doesn't announce it's been tuned until it's GONE!

Hmmm... new patio and hot tub or GTM TT? :yum:

bullitt5897 05-30-2010 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 555747)
hey storm or anyone else, i have a question do you think I need a electronic boost controller. If so i have to figure out where the heck to put it lol. Thanks
Frank

Depends on your goals. If your just staying with what the base kit offers "no" you dont have to have it. However, It is an option that most and even my self would urge you to get. A boost controller must be met with constraint! Just because you have one doesnt mean you need to turn the boost up!

For instance Sam@GTM and I are building the 1st 1000+hp 370z right now. I for the love will NOT be running that high of a HP and Boost on the street unless I cross a Bugatti Veyron in which I will proceed to hand him his @SS!!! lol.

stormcrow 05-30-2010 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 555391)
yea thats where i am going to stay i don't want anymore then 500rwhp. Like i said i am super excited and can't wait to get this all done. I took a week of leave that way i can just sit down and take my time to do this. My Buddy is going to come over and help me out on the weekend to get me started and provide direction if I have any questions and after work he is going to shoot over. As for getting old I don't think thats the problem with not being able to stick lol. I think others between this forum and my350z were having this issue also with all stock. I don't know maybe I made that up lol. The last concern I have is just my warranty. I understand that I pretty much tossed that out the window on the engine and drive train, just if my headlights don't work I don't want the dealership to be like Ohh yea they don't work because of the TT kit you installed so warranty wont cover it lol.
Frank

PS fuz since I seen you reply on this, off topic I am in the market for a altima coupe new(hint hint). I spent my money to play now she want to play also, can't blame her lol

I think you're ok there. *haha* Magnusson-Moss Act keeps vehicle manufacturers honest in that regard. :)


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Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 555747)
hey storm or anyone else, i have a question do you think I need a electronic boost controller. If so i have to figure out where the heck to put it lol. Thanks
Frank

I would certainly go with an electronic boost controller of some sort. Especially with the internal wastegates. Great insurance to have. I went with the HKC EVC 6 and mounted it where the dummy switch cover was in front of the cup holder. I have zero switches there since the NISMO comes stripped and not equiped from Nissan. *haha*

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Originally Posted by LunaZ (Post 556004)
Agreed! It looks like a lowered Nismo with an exhaust and intakes.
If it was my car, I'd skip the pillar gauges because I think they add a hint of "rice" to what is a phenomenal, beautiful car that doesn't announce it's been tuned until it's GONE!

Hmmm... new patio and hot tub or GTM TT? :yum:

I actually thought of doing this. But, again, my build was budget conscious and I didn't want to go through the extra expenditure of custom work placing the new gauges. The most obvious place would have been in the dash as OEM gauge replacements, but I prefer the OEM gauges are left untouched. A custom console/cubby placement could have been an option, but I use my cubby as the Z has otherwise no storage - and, again, I didn't want to get into custom costs. The cups are much less obtrusive than an A-Pillar pod, so the gauges are cleaner and less noticeable. Even from outside of the car.

toner123 05-30-2010 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 556148)
Depends on your goals. If your just staying with what the base kit offers "no" you dont have to have it. However, It is an option that most and even my self would urge you to get. A boost controller must be met with constraint! Just because you have one doesnt mean you need to turn the boost up!

For instance Sam@GTM and I are building the 1st 1000+hp 370z right now. I for the love will NOT be running that high of a HP and Boost on the street unless I cross a Bugatti Veyron in which I will proceed to hand him his @SS!!! lol.

Storm or bullitt do you have another option to where I can put it at. I am going to probably get the one that storm has in his car but i can't mount it where his is because I have the the touring model so there are two switches there for my seat heat lol. Guys thanks alot i must say that you have made something I really wanted to do a reality for me and for ever gracious. If you are ever in the virginia area my door and a hot meal will always be open to you

tao168 05-30-2010 05:15 PM

Just wondering you guys install a turbo timer? If so how was the wiring done. Looking at installing 1 but been working at the wiring for sometime.now


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