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Old 04-17-2010, 12:55 AM   #166 (permalink)
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Whats sad is that these guys who are ragging on him would be posting this kind of thread if they bought $160.00 HID and the vendor took a mnth to ship . Its all excellent info with pics to back it up that everyone should see. . Why are so many people slamming OP and defending FP ? Even with these pics. Oh let me guess?????? You bought some wheels and stickers from them....
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Whats beyond me is how the - obvious - Stillen fan boys try to drag GTM into this when there are just some very clear points...

1. GTM seems to have resolved alot/all of the failed issues that came from FP
2. FP has now admitted that both cars apparently came from shady work by performed by shady employee's that no longer work for the company.

The fact remains...this work was done at FP and how the hammering and clanking and ****** up **** that was done went seemingly unnoticed by anyone is mind boggeling. Thats the part that pisses me off more than anything else. There is no way people didn't notice these guys half-*** installing this?? Why did no one stop them? Why did it have to get to this? Why did it have to get to the point where taking it to another shop caught the attention of the original shop?

I just find it funny that some of you can dismiss this so easily. This isn't an oil change gone wrong. If it was any of you spending 9k you would be going crazy too. Also, this isn't a Stillen vs GTM thread and yet it reeks of it when reading between the lines.

I have seen quiet a few G37s turbo'd along with HP Logic and Z1's successful 370Z TTs. The most important thing is that those cars are still running as strong as the day they left the shop. Some shops simply take greater pride in making the kit even better than ever.

For example, you can take my best friends RS4 that he supercharged. The shop that did the work went above and beyond to replace all the little things (standard stuff) like clips, and hoses etc etc with the highest quality versions, JUST BECAUSE. Showing me a down pipe that doesn't align 100% doesn't make up for the complete disaster of more than one install.

I'm sure FP will grow stronger from this and I certainly dont dislike them as they have been an important part of this forums growth, I'm just more surprised by some of the bashing and the misdirection of some to somehow bring GTM into this as if they somehow forced a shop to bang hammers at parts, LOL.
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Whats beyond me is how the - obvious - Stillen fan boys try to drag GTM into this when there are just some very clear points...

1. GTM seems to have resolved alot/all of the failed issues that came from FP
2. FP has now admitted that both cars apparently came from shady work by performed by shady employee's that no longer work for the company.

The fact remains...this work was done at FP and how the hammering and clanking and ****** up **** that was done went seemingly unnoticed by anyone is mind boggeling. Thats the part that pisses me off more than anything else. There is no way people didn't notice these guys half-*** installing this?? Why did no one stop them? Why did it have to get to this? Why did it have to get to the point where taking it to another shop caught the attention of the original shop?



I just find it funny that some of you can dismiss this so easily. This isn't an oil change gone wrong. If it was any of you spending 9k you would be going crazy too. Also, this isn't a Stillen vs GTM thread and yet it reeks of it when reading between the lines.

I have seen quiet a few G37s turbo'd along with HP Logic and Z1's successful 370Z TTs. The most important thing is that those cars are still running as strong as the day they left the shop. Some shops simply take greater pride in making the kit even better than ever.

For example, you can take my best friends RS4 that he supercharged. The shop that did the work went above and beyond to replace all the little things (standard stuff) like clips, and hoses etc etc with the highest quality versions, JUST BECAUSE. Showing me a down pipe that doesn't align 100% doesn't make up for the complete disaster of more than one install.

I'm sure FP will grow stronger from this and I certainly dont dislike them as they have been an important part of this forums growth, I'm just more surprised by some of the bashing and the misdirection of some to somehow bring GTM into this as if they somehow forced a shop to bang hammers at parts, LOL.
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who is next?

Stillen and Greddy? LOL

honestly, wtf is going on with these installers/tuners/manufacturers?

AAM just got restructured, Forged Performance and GTM involved in such a mess......

i honestly think the damage has been done........ Forged to OP and OP to Forged.......

only time will tell how much or the extent of the damage........

but it is just shame......

to OP, sorry to hear your story...... hope everything gets resolved in timely and professional manner....

to Forged, i do not think there is any valid excuse............. even if it is just one employee who has caused all this mess.......after all, the employee did represent your company and your company as an entity is responsible..... I guess from now on there will be quality control on personnels........

point being, people can definitely make mistakes............ but i do not see any reasonable excuse for screwing up $20K plus job so EXTENSIVELY.........

IMO, people could still buy parts from Forged, but it will definitely have a long-lasting impact on getting installations.......... at least from G37 and 370Z owners.....

honestly, after hearing such a story, would any one of you WILLINGLY take your car and spend 7+ months and $20K+?

it takes immense effort to EARN trust, but only one single slip to lose it......

i sincerely hope this mess gets settled SOON for the sake of Forged and OP........

also, as some of us realized, it might be better to stay NA......... after all, it will be problem free............
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Whats sad is that these guys who are ragging on him would be posting this kind of thread if they bought $160.00 HID and the vendor took a mnth to ship . Its all excellent info with pics to back it up that everyone should see. . Why are so many people slamming OP and defending FP ? Even with these pics. Oh let me guess?????? You bought some wheels and stickers from them....
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But honestly i dont know who to believe anymore, FP saying that the gtm dont fit and they try their best to make it fit.. but gtm customers never comment of fitting issue.. and some of them do DIY to save money..

But what ever FP said.. pictures can speak for them self.. fullstop end of the story..

now this make me wanna go to Stillen SC after seeing these fitting issue..
seriously I dont know who to believe
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But honestly i dont know who to believe anymore, FP saying that the gtm dont fit and they try their best to make it fit.. but gtm customers never comment of fitting issue.. and some of them do DIY to save money..

But what ever FP said.. pictures can speak for them self.. fullstop end of the story..

now this make me wanna go to Stillen SC after seeing these fitting issue..
seriously I dont know who to believe
seems like forged just suck while the "non pros" can do a 10 times better work.

makes you wonder why people pay these guys
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Z1 posted their install of the 370z auto. also HP logic commented on the quality of the GTM kit. r u just posting also just to rattle people's cages as well?
And how would trying to find some good installs be trying to rattle some cages? I was trying to turn the thread around. R U just posting to rattle some cages?
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I have not seen or heard of fitment issues outside of Forged Performance...
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What bugs me the most about some of these replies is.....many are just focusing on the bashed in parts......and saying where is the quality control? Maybe this is because the pictures stand out and they mainly show the damaged parts and such.

There is SO MUCH MORE to the story....I know it is long, but I'm beginning to wonder if some of these posters are just glossing over the pictures instead of reading it. What about all the issues I brought up before ever picking up my car? What about the issues I brought up while I was there? On the drive home? Bad mechanic(s) or not, why was I constantly told "That is normal"? Those words certainly didn't come from the mechanics. What about the wrong turbos or not even hooking up the Knock Amp? What about not fully hooking up the EVC? What about the overcharging on the Down Pipes and Wastegates? I could keep going and going......

All I ask is that before bashing others, whether it is myself or GTM, please make sure you take the time to read the whole story.
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I just wanted to say "THANK YOU" to everyone out there that has sent me positive replies and PMs. I simply don't have the time to reply to everyone of them individually....not to mention this is on two other forums as well. This has been a crazy long road, and at times has consumed me.....ask my wife or my boss Hopefully the end is in sight and I will finally have a TT G37 before my brand new car is 2 or 3 model years old

To the haters....oh well....what can you do...I'm not on here looking for sympathy and I have thick skin
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I have not seen or heard of fitment issues outside of Forged Performance...

I have not heard anything bad about any of the kits until FP started to have installs. If you were a good shop wouldn’t fab a new part before cutting into the sub-frame; poor Juan’s cars. Now to see the same work done on this car, come on guys use your heads here. Even if the kit did not fit why not send back to GTM to get a new one. Instead he blames GTM like they held a gun to his head telling him to do crap work and ruin a new car. Seriously guys what in the world are some of yall thinking???? People did not call Michael Jackson a child molester for 10 years for no reason. There is a pattern here. The facts are there and no one still wants to believe it. If they will do this kind of work what makes you think they are capable of installing it correctly in the first place.
The bottom line is this kit is meant to fit and work, we have seen it time and time again. It just so happens to be; the kits that FP installed were bad kits and caused a flea market like installs??? No every man is responsible for his own decision’s, and the decision to mutilate the kit and cars were FP's decision.
And then they give him the wrong turbos........I dont know if I want to murder someone at this point or puke!
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Dpjones, keep fighting the fight man! For all the little people out there! I read through your whole story and I would not be able to keep my temper, or be as patient as you have been. Props to your thick skin and hopefully you get all your money back and then some for your grief. Good luck!
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Stay strong man, hopefully everything works out for you. Usually when stuff like this happens the owners still have to shell out money even though he is the one that got screwed. People can say whatever they want I would have done the same thing, as a matter of fact i would go to every carforums that deals with FP and post my story. Either way what done is done goodluck with everything.
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But honestly i dont know who to believe anymore, FP saying that the gtm dont fit and they try their best to make it fit.. but gtm customers never comment of fitting issue.. and some of them do DIY to save money..

But what ever FP said.. pictures can speak for them self.. fullstop end of the story..

now this make me wanna go to Stillen SC after seeing these fitting issue..
seriously I dont know who to believe
I don’t get your logic...

Here is a great example. Nearly everyone on this forum had issues (including myself) with the Stillen exhaust. I don’t think I saw one person take a damn hammer to it just to make it fit. No, we all communicated, tried to find the best way to make it work and the whole thing was just very civil. I went as far as cutting out the whole center section and putting in an X pipe along with new exhaust tips. THAT’S how you fix something if it’s not 100%.

Again, the alignment pics posted before do nothing for me because if everything else fits good and more importantly the car is running perfect that’s what I care about most. But having to absolutely murder parts just to get things to fit would indicate SERIOUS alignment/fitment/quality issues with the parts, and if it was THAT serious we would have heard from other successful builds that had either minor to no issues at all.

Again, I don’t know how Stillen's name keeps getting brought into this as if it’s some sort of Stillen vs GTM thing. Everything Stillen has put out thus far except for some small exceptions has needed some sort of modification done, or doest fit perfectly either. Everyone has little issues here at there with parts. I seriously think the closest thing to perfection on these boards is the F.I. exhaust systems. It also makes a lot of sense why companies like AAM want to do all the work themselves when you think about situations like this...
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