GTM Performance Engineering & Forged Performance
 

For well over a decade we at GTM have prided ourselves on offering our customers and clients with access to superior performance tuning and aftermarket performance product manufacturing. We hold ourselves to the highest of standards and prove this daily through hard work, dedication, and exceptional customer service. We also hold all resellers of our product to the same level of standard that we hold ourselves.

Over the past few months there have been issues brought to our attention regarding one of our resellers, Forged Performance. Without going into great detail, we at GTM have decided that it is in our best interest, as well as our customers and clients, to discontinue supplying this organization with our products.

This does not mean that your options are limited in where to purchase your GTM products or have them installed. There are many reputable resellers of GTM items and our website is a great outlet, as well. For those who have had - or are in the process of having - GTM parts installed at Forged Performance, all warranties pertaining to these GTM items are still applicable. Rest assured this change will not impact those who have patronized us in the past or those who will do so in the future.

Please feel free to PM, email or call me with any questions or concerns.

Sam

Wow looks like they made the right move here to keep there rep A1.

Interesting....

Good move Sam!!! I can't wait for the transport truck to get here Friday!

so sam@GTM = azn370z?

Where did you get this piece of info azn370z??? I do feel bad for forged Proformance but it is what it is, and the people that drive this market are the customers and they come first.

MyG37 and My350z

yes. he's a Syrian Asian.

Or is he Mexican? I don't remember. Sam?

Mut ;)

drama drama drama. I thought Forged was a pretty good shop from what I had heard before...

As usual, I have to decipher what Sam is trying to say when he connects sentences. Anyone know what he means by this ?

"Rest assured this change will not impact those who have patronized us in the past or those who will do so in the future."

I think he means if you had stuff installed by Forged in the past they will continue customer support, and if you buy GTM stuff in the future they will then too? maybe? Eh it's a business move who knows what happened exactly, the re dredging of the Juan incident, something more recent maybe, or hell maybe Sam found his wife/gf with shariff one night (ok this ones a joke don't kill me), all we can do is accept it, and continue to decide based on our own personal discretion who we choose to, or not to do business with ourselves.

Yep its a business move but we just dont know what brought it about, could be that Juan thing, and IMO they did miss some serious quality controls on that project no matter what drama went on and that could mean bad reps for GTM if a shop does that. GTMs products have to look good and perform no matter what tech put it on.

business is business, they are competitors after all. personally i still will continue to do business with sharif and forged.

Guys, for those of you who don't know... GTM was a supplier for Fprged Performance. However, if you went to buy a GTM kit from forged performance you would get a response like the following:

"Honestly, we would not reccommend you buying a GTM kit as it has quality control issues and their kits are not tested. We would reccommend on the other hand one of our Greddy kits which can make similar power for the same price."

Now, if you still bought the GTM kit you typically got an install similar to Juan's because forged performance either didn't read the manuals or just didn't take the time to make sure they installed the kit correctly. Several cars have been shipped to GTM to fix issues in regards to their installs and tunes. As this became more and more of an issue and common occurance Sam and GTM began to get phone calls from potential customers like myself asking why doesn't the kit fit? So naturally to end this problem of lies being spread about their quality products and shady workmanship they have decided to end any and all business with forged performance. I do not blame them and would have done the same thing!

As far as warranties go: if you have bought your kit through forged performance or had them install one your warranty is still valid.

Well, it isnt lies, the shop I get my work done had to puzzle together the GTM twin turbo kit for 2 months because of the issues you describe above. I know this shop and know they wouldn't turn a wrench without understanding what it is they are doing first. So I think there is fault on both ends. Don't argue with me, there's a thread on another forum that details the experience a little and I also heard it straight from the shop. I don't want to get involved in this drama, but I don't know that its fair to judge Forged so harshly when I know for a fact that GTM products aren't exactly perfect either.

I do understand the first GTM 350z kits had issues. However, I have their latest kit and it is all numbered so you know where everything goes. Also, it's not that hard to piece one of their kits together I was able to lay the entire kit out on the floor in it's correct place so that I could make sure all the pieces lined up and that nothing was missing. So as far as I understand the kits have come a long way from the first 350z kits. My biggest complaint was forged performance bad mouthing one of their suppliers and then trying to sell me a kit from greddy that did not meet my goals and still used journal turbos. Supposedly these are tested more than GTM kits.... I think not! Greddy kits no matter what platform are pretty much identical. The only differences are a few pieces to make their kits fit your car platform. I have never seen any evidence that they are a superior product over GTM.

Two other reputable shops attempted to sway me away from GTM kits and to go with different ones. It is business. Also I have heard many horror stories about GTM kits missing parts and fitment issues, including 350z and 370z kits.

The point is no company or shop is perfect. This online tirade against Forged will backfire. Time will tell.

I have also inquired about GTM's TT kit from a very reputable shop. They gave me the same response that Sharif did by recommending the Greddy kit. They cited fitment issues as the main issue.

As far as this Journal Turbo issue, which I can understand since there used to be overheating issues, but I've been told they are a lot better than they used to be. Just wanna throw that out there..of course turbos in general are better than they used to be hehe.:tup:

Bullit so how does this effect that 1000hp Z project?

i hope somebody from Z1 chimes into this since they've done the install already... another reason might be that some tuners are suggesting the Greddy kit is because there is more $$$/incentive for them to sell it than the GTM kit... considering that there is a lot less interest on the Greddy than the GTM... like what everybody says, this is a business...

Wouldn't be surprised if this kit on Juan's G37 was the first production kit for the G37, hence the obvious fitment issues...

Too many gaps in information and parts of stories left out. This whole situation reeks...

i don't think that's the case... im pretty sure they wouldn't have a hard time getting a G37 in so cal to check fitment before releasing it...also from what i can gather from Sharif's response is that he admitted that the installation was his employee's fault and have let go of the guy... i mean i dont think it is that hard to pick up the phone and give sam a call if you any questions on installing a $6,000 to $8,000 piece of equipment, right?

We recently installed the GTM TT kit on the 7AT. Yes the first kit was harder to install because it was the first time. But it only took our tech 1.2 weeks to perform the install. The instructions were on point as was GTM when we called to get the reflash. Our lead tech Spencer has plenty of experience with high performance cars and more patience than most(only issue he had was cutting his hand on his exhaust fabbing).

The Greddy kit could potentially be easier to fit because there are fewer parts, such as water lines. However these parts help make the GTM kit a superior kit in terms of reliability and performance with BB turbos. It is possible to get the GTM kit to fit correctly if you have the patience to do it right.

check out the other forum...I was right. "This was the first production G37 kit that left GTM's facility, and it was not an easy situation." -FP

GTM kits have a history of missing parts and fitment issues. It is what it is.

Im talking about their 370z TT kit... they more or less had to design it for GTM because it had a bunch of parts missing and other parts that were for 350z.

I too have had several people tell me to stay away from GTM...people who know Sam personally. Its always the same story: good products, but that shady business. Now I see the products aren't that great either so what am I supposed to believe?

Then I hear all you guys raving about GTM and thats very confusing because I know you people aren't dumb. Hopefully for all you folks, GTM comes through with the goods. When enough people who have been in the industry for decades tell you the same thing, it just makes me wonder.

I think you are trying too hard, for the record there has never been any design change in our G37 kit sense day one. So what ever was sent back then is what the customer has installed on his G37 on his back in his own garage.


Here is the link

DIY GTM Turbo Stage 2 Install!! - MyG37

Enjoy

Sam

Sam, I think to knock all this back and forth out with customers and your possible dealers. Just do a DIY! so customers can see. Im sure it will be sticky on here. I think this will bring more people your way and show that the kit has no flaws or fitment issues.

Look up^^

Guess you missing the point. A company shouldnt have to post ppls threads to proof fitment issues. Its in sams best interest to take the time and do it himself at his own shop. So he can have better confidence knowing the kits fit. Obvious there are issues.

All that's going to do is cause more issues. Stupid people with no business turning a wrench complaining after failure to follow instructions.

Anyway, this thread screams of a GIRL FIGHT!!!

FWIW, we had no fitment issues on the GTM twin turbo kit that we installed.

Well if you look at the thread sam posted. the guy did it in his back yard on jackstands. Regardless if your not inclined to put turbos on then obviously dont do it. The whole point of me bringing this up is, IF SAME HAD SOME YOUTUBE VIDEOS OF A INSTALL THIS WILL LOOK BETTER FOR HIM. then when customers come back with fitment issues he can smile and say NO WAY!

Trying too hard to what? Would you like to elaborate?

I can tell you that at the pricing Greddy kits are WHORED at online; there is no financial interest for most to recommend Greddy over the GTM kit. Forged is one of if no in the deepest discount structure of Greddy items and DOES benefit in recommending the kit for obvious financial gain.

I'm sure they have much more experience in installing the Greddy kit which would probably also be why the recommend them over anyone elses kits.

GTM offers a good pricing structure which allows US dealers to sell their product competitively. They have decent control over the product as well keeping the integrity of it from a dealers stand point.

This point in no way is biased toward either product or shop, just simply to bring out a reply to multiple comments of profit margins and selling practices.

A companies product is really only as good as it's reliability and longevity as well as customer support along with fitment obviously (For install/labor time concerns).

At the end of the day though it is about meeting your customers needs and expectations and not fluffing your bottom line.

Chapter 11 ring a bell hahaha

We sent horsepower logic a 350Z intercooler instead of a 370Z one, if you think this is shady then you need to get your head examined, if you are talking about something else please don't hold back and share it with everyone now.

Now i know jack for a long time( the tuner at horse power logic) and this guy does not ********, if there is an issue he will let you know. so please explain his post


Sam

Its funny you say that because for me its the complete opposite. Everything you say in this post is amplified ten fold regarding Stillen. Which makes me wonder why you and others are so eager to jump on that band wagon. It is what it is...You were quick to jump in here and add your fuel, but I dont understand why, ESPECIALLY since FP admitted to firing the employees who were responsible for hacking up that guys car...So it sounds like the kit was fine and it was the installers who were not. Whats so hard to understand??

What is it with all the Forged and GTM attacks?

People make mistakes, and all I have heard so far is every one of these companies stepped up and fixed the issues. Now if Sam or Sharif didn't then I would see everyones point.

People screw up it's human nature, but a good company will step up and make it right.

Look at the oil cooler situation, hell one guy on the forum didn't even buy one from GTM and Sam replaced it for free.(customer service)

Bring some facts or quite all the :crying:

Here's a tissue

I stand behind GTM all the way. Being one of the few people that DIYed GTM's turbos, I can tell you their kits are legit. I dont think any turbo kits will always be 100% match for the same type of car. Each car has its slight variations, whether it was assembled that way from factory or as a result of an accident. But GTM is willing to help you and get things done right.

Sam is a busy guy and GTM has a lot of customers. Even then, they make sure the customer's satisfied. Of course things go wrong from time to time. But it is how the shop respond to their mistakes that sets them apart.

To me, GTM has always taken care of any concerns/setbacks.