GTM Performance Engineering & Forged Performance

LaSeeno · 04-13-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_west06

Sam, I think to knock all this back and forth out with customers and your possible dealers. Just do a DIY! so customers can see. Im sure it will be sticky on here. I think this will bring more people your way and show that the kit has no flaws or fitment issues.

All that's going to do is cause more issues. Stupid people with no business turning a wrench complaining after failure to follow instructions.

Anyway, this thread screams of a GIRL FIGHT!!!

Chris@FsP · 04-13-2010, 02:09 PM

FWIW, we had no fitment issues on the GTM twin turbo kit that we installed.

Prosport Gauges · 04-13-2010, 02:14 PM

Well if you look at the thread sam posted. the guy did it in his back yard on jackstands. Regardless if your not inclined to put turbos on then obviously dont do it. The whole point of me bringing this up is, IF SAME HAD SOME YOUTUBE VIDEOS OF A INSTALL THIS WILL LOOK BETTER FOR HIM. then when customers come back with fitment issues he can smile and say NO WAY!

W.O.W. 370Z · 04-13-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SAM@GTM

I think you are trying too hard, for the record there has never been any design change in our G37 kit sense day one. So what ever was sent back then is what the customer has installed on his G37 on his back in his own garage.

Trying too hard to what? Would you like to elaborate?

INTENSEPOWER · 04-13-2010, 02:30 PM

I can tell you that at the pricing Greddy kits are WHORED at online; there is no financial interest for most to recommend Greddy over the GTM kit. Forged is one of if no in the deepest discount structure of Greddy items and DOES benefit in recommending the kit for obvious financial gain.

I'm sure they have much more experience in installing the Greddy kit which would probably also be why the recommend them over anyone elses kits.

GTM offers a good pricing structure which allows US dealers to sell their product competitively. They have decent control over the product as well keeping the integrity of it from a dealers stand point.

This point in no way is biased toward either product or shop, just simply to bring out a reply to multiple comments of profit margins and selling practices.

A companies product is really only as good as it's reliability and longevity as well as customer support along with fitment obviously (For install/labor time concerns).

At the end of the day though it is about meeting your customers needs and expectations and not fluffing your bottom line.

Prosport Gauges · 04-13-2010, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by INTENSEPOWER

I can tell you that at the pricing Greddy kits are WHORED at online; there is no financial interest for most to recommend Greddy over the GTM kit. Forged is one of if no in the deepest discount structure of Greddy items and DOES benefit in recommending the kit for obvious financial gain.

I'm sure they have much more experience in installing the Greddy kit which would probably also be why the recommend them over anyone elses kits.

GTM offers a good pricing structure which allows US dealers to sell their product competitively. They have decent control over the product as well keeping the integrity of it from a dealers stand point.

This point in no way is biased toward either product or shop, just simply to bring out a reply to multiple comments of profit margins and selling practices.

A companies product is really only as good as it's reliability and longevity as well as customer support along with fitment obviously (For install/labor time concerns).

At the end of the day though it is about meeting your customers needs and expectations and not fluffing your bottom line.

Chapter 11 ring a bell hahaha

SAM@GTM · 04-13-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Im talking about their 370z TT kit... they more or less had to design it for GTM because it had a bunch of parts missing and other parts that were for 350z.

I too have had several people tell me to stay away from GTM...people who know Sam personally. Its always the same story: good products, but that shady business. Now I see the products aren't that great either so what am I supposed to believe?

Then I hear all you guys raving about GTM and thats very confusing because I know you people aren't dumb. Hopefully for all you folks, GTM comes through with the goods. When enough people who have been in the industry for decades tell you the same thing, it just makes me wonder.

We sent horsepower logic a 350Z intercooler instead of a 370Z one, if you think this is shady then you need to get your head examined, if you are talking about something else please don't hold back and share it with everyone now.

Now i know jack for a long time( the tuner at horse power logic) and this guy does not ********, if there is an issue he will let you know. so please explain his post

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Originally Posted by HP Logic

Prelimenary tests and adjustments have gone smoothly....we are looking to get the exhaust finished up and hopefully have some power tuning done by weeks end....so far the car is responding very well and the fit & finish of the GTM kit is fantastic...there are a few slight modifications and procedures that must be accomplished to get this project done....but in all we are very pleased so far!....stay tuned!....

-Jack

Sam

DannyGT · 04-13-2010, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ

Im talking about their 370z TT kit... they more or less had to design it for GTM because it had a bunch of parts missing and other parts that were for 350z.

I too have had several people tell me to stay away from GTM...people who know Sam personally. Its always the same story: good products, but that shady business. Now I see the products aren't that great either so what am I supposed to believe?

Then I hear all you guys raving about GTM and thats very confusing because I know you people aren't dumb. Hopefully for all you folks, GTM comes through with the goods. When enough people who have been in the industry for decades tell you the same thing, it just makes me wonder.

Its funny you say that because for me its the complete opposite. Everything you say in this post is amplified ten fold regarding Stillen. Which makes me wonder why you and others are so eager to jump on that band wagon. It is what it is...You were quick to jump in here and add your fuel, but I dont understand why, ESPECIALLY since FP admitted to firing the employees who were responsible for hacking up that guys car...So it sounds like the kit was fine and it was the installers who were not. Whats so hard to understand??

FuszNissan · 04-13-2010, 03:13 PM

What is it with all the Forged and GTM attacks?

People make mistakes, and all I have heard so far is every one of these companies stepped up and fixed the issues. Now if Sam or Sharif didn't then I would see everyones point.

People screw up it's human nature, but a good company will step up and make it right.

Look at the oil cooler situation, hell one guy on the forum didn't even buy one from GTM and Sam replaced it for free.(customer service)

Bring some facts or quite all the

Here's a tissue

modme · 04-13-2010, 03:27 PM

I stand behind GTM all the way. Being one of the few people that DIYed GTM's turbos, I can tell you their kits are legit. I dont think any turbo kits will always be 100% match for the same type of car. Each car has its slight variations, whether it was assembled that way from factory or as a result of an accident. But GTM is willing to help you and get things done right.

Sam is a busy guy and GTM has a lot of customers. Even then, they make sure the customer's satisfied. Of course things go wrong from time to time. But it is how the shop respond to their mistakes that sets them apart.

To me, GTM has always taken care of any concerns/setbacks.

westpak · 04-13-2010, 03:30 PM

Just my 2 cents, as everyone knows no one is perfect, and the experience doing the first 370Z TT kit installation, outside of Sam, was a learning experience for both, things that he could deal with locally were amplified by adding a coast to coast shipping ordeal with a car waiting on the lift.

That being said the issues were not extreme and all taken care of, luckily the tech we had doing it was very patient and did a great install without complete instructions.

This was done back in September and the car is still running strong without any issues.

Is Sam perfect? no, but does he try to fix issues when they arise? yes, I can't complain with the end product and we would have no issue doing another install of a GTM Kit.

semtex · 04-13-2010, 03:33 PM

For me, all of this back and forth is accomplishing only one thing: persuading me to keep my car NA and stay clear away from going FI, period. That's the real damage that these threads can/will do. Who do I trust? Which kit is reliable? Are there fitment issues or installation issues or both or neither? Aw, f*ck it. I'll just stay NA. I don't need the stress.

stormcrow · 04-13-2010, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex

For me, all of this back and forth is accomplishing only one thing: persuading me to keep my car NA and stay clear away from going FI, period. That's the real damage that these threads can/will do. Who do I trust? Which kit is reliable? Are there fitment issues or installation issues or both or neither? Aw, f*ck it. I'll just stay NA. I don't need the stress.

Very good point. F/I is a risk all the way around. From the mechanical standpoint to the retailer standpoint. But, don't let it sway you if F/I is truly what you seek. Just do your research and roll the bones.

Prosport Gauges · 04-13-2010, 04:11 PM

I guess no one sees my point! solves all problems...bye

FuszNissan · 04-13-2010, 06:04 PM

Bye

04-13-2010, 03:13 PM	#39 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	What is it with all the Forged and GTM attacks? People make mistakes, and all I have heard so far is every one of these companies stepped up and fixed the issues. Now if Sam or Sharif didn't then I would see everyones point. People screw up it's human nature, but a good company will step up and make it right. Look at the oil cooler situation, hell one guy on the forum didn't even buy one from GTM and Sam replaced it for free.(customer service) Bring some facts or quite all the Here's a tissue __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

04-13-2010, 03:30 PM	#41 (permalink)
westpak Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 405 Drives: 2003 350Z DB Rep Power: 16	Just my 2 cents, as everyone knows no one is perfect, and the experience doing the first 370Z TT kit installation, outside of Sam, was a learning experience for both, things that he could deal with locally were amplified by adding a coast to coast shipping ordeal with a car waiting on the lift. That being said the issues were not extreme and all taken care of, luckily the tech we had doing it was very patient and did a great install without complete instructions. This was done back in September and the car is still running strong without any issues. Is Sam perfect? no, but does he try to fix issues when they arise? yes, I can't complain with the end product and we would have no issue doing another install of a GTM Kit. __________________ 03 350Z 587 RWHP - May 2009 Dsport Feature

04-13-2010, 03:33 PM	#42 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	For me, all of this back and forth is accomplishing only one thing: persuading me to keep my car NA and stay clear away from going FI, period. That's the real damage that these threads can/will do. Who do I trust? Which kit is reliable? Are there fitment issues or installation issues or both or neither? Aw, f*ck it. I'll just stay NA. I don't need the stress. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

04-13-2010, 06:04 PM	#45 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	Bye __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

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04-13-2010, 02:09 PM	#32 (permalink)
Chris@FsP Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 430 Drives: 2008 350Z TT Rep Power: 368	FWIW, we had no fitment issues on the GTM twin turbo kit that we installed.

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Prosport Gauges Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 339 Drives: 2009 370z Rep Power: 0	Well if you look at the thread sam posted. the guy did it in his back yard on jackstands. Regardless if your not inclined to put turbos on then obviously dont do it. The whole point of me bringing this up is, IF SAME HAD SOME YOUTUBE VIDEOS OF A INSTALL THIS WILL LOOK BETTER FOR HIM. then when customers come back with fitment issues he can smile and say NO WAY!

04-13-2010, 02:30 PM	#35 (permalink)
INTENSEPOWER Not a Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,292 Drives: 1000+hp Widebody G Rep Power: 254	I can tell you that at the pricing Greddy kits are WHORED at online; there is no financial interest for most to recommend Greddy over the GTM kit. Forged is one of if no in the deepest discount structure of Greddy items and DOES benefit in recommending the kit for obvious financial gain. I'm sure they have much more experience in installing the Greddy kit which would probably also be why the recommend them over anyone elses kits. GTM offers a good pricing structure which allows US dealers to sell their product competitively. They have decent control over the product as well keeping the integrity of it from a dealers stand point. This point in no way is biased toward either product or shop, just simply to bring out a reply to multiple comments of profit margins and selling practices. A companies product is really only as good as it's reliability and longevity as well as customer support along with fitment obviously (For install/labor time concerns). At the end of the day though it is about meeting your customers needs and expectations and not fluffing your bottom line.

04-13-2010, 03:27 PM	#40 (permalink)
modme Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NY Posts: 345 Drives: G37 Rep Power: 16	I stand behind GTM all the way. Being one of the few people that DIYed GTM's turbos, I can tell you their kits are legit. I dont think any turbo kits will always be 100% match for the same type of car. Each car has its slight variations, whether it was assembled that way from factory or as a result of an accident. But GTM is willing to help you and get things done right. Sam is a busy guy and GTM has a lot of customers. Even then, they make sure the customer's satisfied. Of course things go wrong from time to time. But it is how the shop respond to their mistakes that sets them apart. To me, GTM has always taken care of any concerns/setbacks.

04-13-2010, 04:11 PM	#44 (permalink)
Prosport Gauges Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 339 Drives: 2009 370z Rep Power: 0	I guess no one sees my point! solves all problems...bye