Nissan 370Z Forum  

STILLEN 370Z Supercharger System - Announcement!!!

Love the crinkle red too, good old APS fmic kits. Booo, we don't need basic in car driving, we want to see tire carnage!!!

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Engine & Drivetrain > Forced Induction


Like Tree44Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-15-2010, 01:22 PM   #106 (permalink)
RCZ
A True Z Fanatic
 
RCZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Miami
Posts: 6,403
Drives: '09 370Z
Rep Power: 1118
RCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to RCZ
Default

Love the crinkle red too, good old APS fmic kits.

Booo, we don't need basic in car driving, we want to see tire carnage!!!

Last edited by RCZ; 03-15-2010 at 03:54 PM.
RCZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 02:44 PM   #107 (permalink)
The370Z.com Sponsor
 
Kyle@STILLEN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Newport Beach
Posts: 626
Drives: Toyota Tundra
Rep Power: 306
Kyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond repute
Default

If there is sufficient interest in a red manifold we could do a limited production run of them without a problem. We can do any combination that you want really. We just need sufficient interest. So if there were 20 guys who wanted the red manifold, no problem. 20 guys who want a black charge pipe...no problem. red manifold with black charge pipe? No problem...We just have to have sufficient interest to bring down the lot charge. The more parts we can send to the coater's the less expensive it is for everyone.
Kyle@STILLEN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 02:45 PM   #108 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Zsteve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: TX
Posts: 3,298
Drives: the 2 balled club
Rep Power: 22
Zsteve is a splendid one to beholdZsteve is a splendid one to beholdZsteve is a splendid one to beholdZsteve is a splendid one to beholdZsteve is a splendid one to beholdZsteve is a splendid one to beholdZsteve is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zsteve
I know you guys will be answering questions like crazy now but here are a few things Id like to know:

Is the SC in its best effieciency range?
What is the weight of everything you added?
What are the intake temps after the cooler when driven hard?

Thanks guys and its a great looking kit, do you hear the SC wind up?

I saw the answer earlier to the first question regarding adiabatic efficiency. Long answer short, yes, the supercharger is in its efficiency range and has plenty of room to expand.

I don't know what the weight of everything is. We haven't really been weighing the parts that come off along with the parts that go on. Keep in mind there are quite a few parts coming off the car. I will try to get this information in the next few weeks for you.

Last question was answered in the reply above.


Thanks for the info. I guess Im looking for temps above ambient at idle, hard driving etc.
Good to see the SC is in its ifficiency range too, thanks.
__________________
2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette
Zsteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 03:56 PM   #109 (permalink)
The370Z.com Sponsor
 
Kyle@STILLEN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Newport Beach
Posts: 626
Drives: Toyota Tundra
Rep Power: 306
Kyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zsteve View Post
Thanks for the info. I guess Im looking for temps above ambient at idle, hard driving etc.
Good to see the SC is in its ifficiency range too, thanks.
It's impossible to answer that question with a solid number or a percentage for any intercooler setup, air to air or air to water, because there are so many different variables. What RPM? What is the ambient temperature? How much boost? and more...

At idle, there isn't much if any difference in air temperature because you're not compressing the air. During the supercharging process the heat is created by the compression of the air molecules. If you're not boosting, you're not compressing the air molecules, so the air temperature will remain close to if not the same as ambient. I know that we were data logging this during our testing and I saw a graph that perfectly explains what I'm trying to say. I do not want to bother our engineer's this week as they are finalizing the instructions and CARB papers and I dont want to distract them but when things slow down a little I will see if I can get that graph.

Keep in mind that water is four times more efficient at cooling than air. Water dissipates heat 4 times faster than air and an air to water intercooler is actively circulating the coolant through its own system to constantly cool the air temperature. An air to air intercooler relies on the vehicle moving in order to cool. An air to water intercooler works exactly like your engine's cooling system. It doesn't matter if the car is moving or not, it's still going to circulate that coolant, the coolant will continue to pull heat out of the air and the front mount heat exchanger will continue to work like a radiator and dissipate that heat back out and cool the water that returns back to the intercooler inside the manifold.

Air to water intercoolers have been around for quite awhile. Here is a short list of some vehicle's made by the major OE's that use air to water intercooling systems:

Ford:
GT supercare
GT500 Mustang
Lightning

Chevy:
Corvette ZR-1

Toyota:
Tundra TRD supercharger

Here is a little write-up on air to water intercooling from Vortech:

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/...talog_pg42.pdf

Last edited by Kyle@STILLEN; 03-15-2010 at 04:01 PM.
Kyle@STILLEN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 03:58 PM   #110 (permalink)
RCZ
A True Z Fanatic
 
RCZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Miami
Posts: 6,403
Drives: '09 370Z
Rep Power: 1118
RCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to RCZ
Default

Eh, my pipes are going to be wrapped in gold foil anyway so I dont care what color they are
RCZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 04:11 PM   #111 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Zsteve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: TX
Posts: 3,298
Drives: the 2 balled club
Rep Power: 22
Zsteve is a splendid one to beholdZsteve is a splendid one to beholdZsteve is a splendid one to beholdZsteve is a splendid one to beholdZsteve is a splendid one to beholdZsteve is a splendid one to beholdZsteve is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RCZ View Post
Eh, my pipes are going to be wrapped in gold foil anyway so I dont care what color they are
But you choose "gold" foil and not "silver". lol
__________________
2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette
Zsteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 06:03 PM   #112 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: THe world
Posts: 195
Drives: Nissan Maxima
Rep Power: 0
lemansz20 is on a distinguished road
Default

Red Manifold, everyone loves how the nismo engine covers looks, lol come on that thing will look good with any car.
lemansz20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 06:06 PM   #113 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
m4a1mustang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 55,385
Drives: on two wheels
Rep Power: 6962
m4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I wish my valve covers were Ford Engine Blue.
__________________
- Steve
MAZOC Meet Thread
Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!)
LIKE us on Facebook!
m4a1mustang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 06:14 PM   #114 (permalink)
The370Z.com Sponsor
 
Kyle@STILLEN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Newport Beach
Posts: 626
Drives: Toyota Tundra
Rep Power: 306
Kyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by m4a1mustang View Post
I wish my valve covers were Ford Engine Blue.
I agree!!! That Ford GT valve cover looks AWESOME!!!
Kyle@STILLEN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 06:30 PM   #115 (permalink)
Base Member
 
LaSeeno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Mars
Posts: 129
Drives: NA
Rep Power: 16
LaSeeno is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by m4a1mustang View Post
Intercooler failure is really the only thing I'm worried about. That would suck.
I don't think intercooler failure is something to be worried about. Nothing bad will happen.
LaSeeno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 06:32 PM   #116 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
m4a1mustang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 55,385
Drives: on two wheels
Rep Power: 6962
m4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LaSeeno View Post
I don't think intercooler failure is something to be worried about. Nothing bad will happen.
Yeah, after Stillen's response I'm not much concerned about it anymore.
__________________
- Steve
MAZOC Meet Thread
Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!)
LIKE us on Facebook!
m4a1mustang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 06:36 PM   #117 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Red370's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany
Posts: 4,391
Drives: your mom to church
Rep Power: 296
Red370 has a reputation beyond reputeRed370 has a reputation beyond reputeRed370 has a reputation beyond reputeRed370 has a reputation beyond reputeRed370 has a reputation beyond reputeRed370 has a reputation beyond reputeRed370 has a reputation beyond reputeRed370 has a reputation beyond reputeRed370 has a reputation beyond reputeRed370 has a reputation beyond reputeRed370 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by m4a1mustang View Post
Yeah, after Stillen's response I'm not much concerned about it anymore.
I think as long as that water pump keeps the flow going through the intercooler, heat soak shouldnt be much of an issue and would be more of an issue with a front mounted intercooler at a stand still.
__________________
2011 Mustang 5.0 | 3.55's | Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe | Magnaflow Muffler Delete | JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs
Red370 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 07:03 PM   #118 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
m4a1mustang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 55,385
Drives: on two wheels
Rep Power: 6962
m4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond reputem4a1mustang has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red370 View Post
I think as long as that water pump keeps the flow going through the intercooler, heat soak shouldnt be much of an issue and would be more of an issue with a front mounted intercooler at a stand still.
Heatsoak really wasn't what I was concerned about. I was just wondering how it's going to hold up to extreme cold.
__________________
- Steve
MAZOC Meet Thread
Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!)
LIKE us on Facebook!
m4a1mustang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 07:11 PM   #119 (permalink)
The370Z.com Sponsor
 
Kyle@STILLEN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Newport Beach
Posts: 626
Drives: Toyota Tundra
Rep Power: 306
Kyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond reputeKyle@STILLEN has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Also,

I have seen a few people mention relocating their intercooler tank. Feel free to relocate that tank but keep in mind that you will need to keep whatever reservoir you use as the highest point of the cooling system. The bottle needs to be the highest point in the intercooler system because that is how the cooling system bleeds. If you have that bottle below the manifold/intercooler you run the risk of getting an air pocket trapped in your cooling system somewhere.

Just a little heads up/FYI.
Kyle@STILLEN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2010, 07:17 PM   #120 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
370Zsteve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Gold Coast CT
Posts: 10,599
Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S.
Rep Power: 43
370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute
Default

A big hand for Kyle and all the folks at Stillen, for taking the time to deal with us, listen to our ideas, our bitching , our likes, dislikes, etc ad nauseam.

Looking forward to feedback as the first wave of folks install these superchargers.
__________________
SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.
370Zsteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
GT Motorsports: 370Z Supercharger system development SAM@GTM Forced Induction 1396 02-02-2014 10:54 PM
STILLEN 370Z Dual Exhaust System w/pricing AK370Z STILLEN 25 01-03-2011 07:49 PM
Preparation for the STILLEN supercharger Kyle@STILLEN Forced Induction 1087 03-13-2010 05:59 AM
Stillen Supercharger estimates??? NewYorkJon34 Forced Induction 454 01-22-2010 11:05 PM
Will Stillen Supercharger & G3 intakes Connect? NewYorkJon34 Forced Induction 23 10-31-2009 12:09 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2