STILLEN 370Z Supercharger System - Announcement!!!

whiddles · 07-03-2014, 04:09 PM

I have also showed my ring to there ring and they are the same

Kyle@STILLEN · 07-03-2014, 04:11 PM

Just to clarify, we're not ducking tail. As I mentioned earlier, my job duties and responsibilities keep me very busy and I am unable to sit on the forums and debate back and forth.

The simple facts are this:

1) This supercharger system was originally installed 4 years ago. As such, it is outside the warranty timeframe.

2) As we have never seen an intercooler fail on the VQ37 we offered to sell a new intercooler to Whiddles at a greatly reduced price.

3) Air to water intercoolers have been used for decades on everything from aftermarket supercharger systems to factory equipped vehicles and have proven to be a very reliable and efficient method of cooling the compressed air in a forced induction application.

4) From day one the STILLEN VQ37 intercooler has been a bar and plate design. Bar and plate intercoolers are more expensive than tube and fin however they are immensely stronger and more durable. It made sense to us to use a bar and plate intercooler on this application. The heat exchanger mounted up front uses a tube and fin design which is along the lines of a traditional radiator.

5) In reviewing the images that Whiddles has posted you can see that the images of the O rings installed in their grooves include a foreign substance which appears to be RTV silicone sealant. Subsequent images posted by Whiddles show the O rings with the silicone sealant removed and show what the O ring should look like. These images were posted by Whiddles and clearly speak for themselves. Using this RTV silicone caused the damage to the manifold. Hence the recommendation by our team to replace the manifold as it was clearly damaged.

Kyle@STILLEN · 07-03-2014, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by whiddles

Stillen o-ring picture sent to me from Trent

mine

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANMVQ

Hey Kyle you and I have travelled this road before so well just agree to disagree , But misleading is saying this "The O rings included in the supercharger kit are square, not round" and not the fact that I posted pictures.

Just sounds like double talk to me. :/

I'm not quite sure what there is to disagree about. If you're wanting me to say that the groove machined in the casting is round then yes that's correct...That's why it's called an O ring. However the gasket or O ring that goes inside that round channel has a shoulder...which makes it a square O ring...I'm not trying to mislead anyone or "double talk".

Here is a store where you can buy square O rings...

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whiddles · 07-03-2014, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN

Just to clarify, we're not ducking tail. As I mentioned earlier, my job duties and responsibilities keep me very busy and I am unable to sit on the forums and debate back and forth.

The simple facts are this:

1) This supercharger system was originally installed 4 years ago. As such, it is outside the warranty timeframe.

2) As we have never seen an intercooler fail on the VQ37 we offered to sell a new intercooler to Whiddles at a greatly reduced price.

3) Air to water intercoolers have been used for decades on everything from aftermarket supercharger systems to factory equipped vehicles and have proven to be a very reliable and efficient method of cooling the compressed air in a forced induction application.

4) From day one the STILLEN VQ37 intercooler has been a bar and plate design. Bar and plate intercoolers are more expensive than tube and fin however they are immensely stronger and more durable. It made sense to us to use a bar and plate intercooler on this application. The heat exchanger mounted up front uses a tube and fin design which is along the lines of a traditional radiator.

5) In reviewing the images that Whiddles has posted you can see that the images of the O rings installed in their grooves include a foreign substance which appears to be RTV silicone sealant. Subsequent images posted by Whiddles show the O rings with the silicone sealant removed and show what the O ring should look like. These images were posted by Whiddles and clearly speak for themselves. Using this RTV silicone caused the damage to the manifold. Hence the recommendation by our team to replace the manifold as it was clearly damaged.

this is why we are here and I think you guys should look further into it was all

Plasmite · 07-03-2014, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANMVQ

Sure here man, If I go back to their kit first thing I'd buy again I wont even install their kit with theirs.

Air to Water Heat Exchanger

Seen a couple that have this. Looking into it as an option for myself as well

1slow370 · 07-03-2014, 05:31 PM

square vs round oring applies to the shape of the o ring cross section, a round o ring is a cirlce a square is molded as a square.

Team_STILLEN · 07-03-2014, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANMVQ

Hey Kyle you and I have travelled this road before so well just agree to disagree , But misleading is saying this "The O rings included in the supercharger kit are square, not round" and not the fact that I posted pictures.

Just sounds like double talk to me. :/

Hope this helps anyone here that might be confused.

The definition on an O-Ring is: "a gasket in the form of a ring with a circular cross section, typically made of pliable material, used to seal connections in pipes, tubes, etc."

future370zzz · 07-03-2014, 07:55 PM

Only time will tell if the intercooler failure is an anomaly or a "wear and tear" item. I hope it is not the latter.

Whiddles, did you use de-ionized water? Any other chemicals you put in the water mixture? Just curious, some people put additives to lower the boiling point. Maybe it's causing corrosion???

1slow370 · 07-03-2014, 09:04 PM

My question is ok rtv on the o-ring sure but what in the hell dented your intercooler through the rear throttle opening? If the leak wasn't a bad solder job on the plates i would put money on the front of that core being f'ed up as the cause of the hydrolocking Hard to imagine that a core inside an alluminum manifold could get damaged any time other than during assembly. maybe it got banged while putting it in the manifold.

Edit: or is that just water? hard to tell. I would definitely figure out where that core was leaking from if it just cost you a motor.

whiddles · 07-04-2014, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370

My question is ok rtv on the o-ring sure but what in the hell dented your intercooler through the rear throttle opening? If the leak wasn't a bad solder job on the plates i would put money on the front of that core being f'ed up as the cause of the hydrolocking Hard to imagine that a core inside an alluminum manifold could get damaged any time other than during assembly. maybe it got banged while putting it in the manifold.

Edit: or is that just water? hard to tell. I would definitely figure out where that core was leaking from if it just cost you a motor.

the core is not dented its water pooring out as I had it hooked to the hose.

whiddles · 07-04-2014, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by future370zzz

Only time will tell if the intercooler failure is an anomaly or a "wear and tear" item. I hope it is not the latter.

Whiddles, did you use de-ionized water? Any other chemicals you put in the water mixture? Just curious, some people put additives to lower the boiling point. Maybe it's causing corrosion???

just the water and water wetter which are the recommended via stillen I believe

1slow370 · 07-04-2014, 12:43 AM

so where did the core actually start leaking from?

whiddles · 07-04-2014, 10:43 AM

the second row from the bottom you can see the water poor out.

diego@vossen · 07-25-2014, 03:25 PM

I love mine all over again

Charge pipe is now in Candy Red

ANMVQ · 07-25-2014, 03:30 PM

GOD DAMN!!!! Why Diego! I was just getting over mine and thinking FI twins in 6 months or send my car now to AAM.

07-03-2014, 05:31 PM	#2616 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	square vs round oring applies to the shape of the o ring cross section, a round o ring is a cirlce a square is molded as a square. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

07-03-2014, 07:55 PM	#2618 (permalink)
future370zzz Track Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bay Area Posts: 555 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 14	Only time will tell if the intercooler failure is an anomaly or a "wear and tear" item. I hope it is not the latter. Whiddles, did you use de-ionized water? Any other chemicals you put in the water mixture? Just curious, some people put additives to lower the boiling point. Maybe it's causing corrosion??? __________________

07-03-2014, 09:04 PM	#2619 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	My question is ok rtv on the o-ring sure but what in the hell dented your intercooler through the rear throttle opening? If the leak wasn't a bad solder job on the plates i would put money on the front of that core being f'ed up as the cause of the hydrolocking Hard to imagine that a core inside an alluminum manifold could get damaged any time other than during assembly. maybe it got banged while putting it in the manifold. Edit: or is that just water? hard to tell. I would definitely figure out where that core was leaking from if it just cost you a motor. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 07-03-2014 at 09:06 PM.

07-04-2014, 12:43 AM	#2622 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	so where did the core actually start leaking from? __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

07-25-2014, 03:25 PM	#2624 (permalink)
diego@vossen Track Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 614 Drives: Nismo 370Z 6MT Tech Rep Power: 13	I love mine all over again Charge pipe is now in Candy Red ANMVQ and Team_STILLEN like this.

07-03-2014, 04:09 PM	#2611 (permalink)
whiddles Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: FT HOOD Posts: 219 Drives: G37S AB Rep Power: 15	I have also showed my ring to there ring and they are the same

07-03-2014, 04:11 PM	#2612 (permalink)
Kyle@STILLEN The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 626 Drives: Toyota Tundra Rep Power: 306	Just to clarify, we're not ducking tail. As I mentioned earlier, my job duties and responsibilities keep me very busy and I am unable to sit on the forums and debate back and forth. The simple facts are this: 1) This supercharger system was originally installed 4 years ago. As such, it is outside the warranty timeframe. 2) As we have never seen an intercooler fail on the VQ37 we offered to sell a new intercooler to Whiddles at a greatly reduced price. 3) Air to water intercoolers have been used for decades on everything from aftermarket supercharger systems to factory equipped vehicles and have proven to be a very reliable and efficient method of cooling the compressed air in a forced induction application. 4) From day one the STILLEN VQ37 intercooler has been a bar and plate design. Bar and plate intercoolers are more expensive than tube and fin however they are immensely stronger and more durable. It made sense to us to use a bar and plate intercooler on this application. The heat exchanger mounted up front uses a tube and fin design which is along the lines of a traditional radiator. 5) In reviewing the images that Whiddles has posted you can see that the images of the O rings installed in their grooves include a foreign substance which appears to be RTV silicone sealant. Subsequent images posted by Whiddles show the O rings with the silicone sealant removed and show what the O ring should look like. These images were posted by Whiddles and clearly speak for themselves. Using this RTV silicone caused the damage to the manifold. Hence the recommendation by our team to replace the manifold as it was clearly damaged.

07-04-2014, 10:43 AM	#2623 (permalink)
whiddles Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: FT HOOD Posts: 219 Drives: G37S AB Rep Power: 15	the second row from the bottom you can see the water poor out.

07-25-2014, 03:30 PM	#2625 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 19	GOD DAMN!!!! Why Diego! I was just getting over mine and thinking FI twins in 6 months or send my car now to AAM. diego@vossen likes this. __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

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