Originally Posted by Nitex Seriously? Did the Z shop in question send dynos or any diagnostic reports at all? If not then I understand to some degree. I guess it
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Stillen did screw the pooch at first by releasing numbers based on a pulley that was producing more PSI. I honestly think this was not done on purpose since a few customers (including myself) were actually sent the "overboost" pulley at first. So I think they realized it either wasn't safe or it wasn't going to pass carb. Either way, it's not going to produce the same numbers. Interesting thing is that I rarely and I mean rarely go past 8psi. Maybe because I don't bang the limiter or because there's a slight pressure drop from my headers. I would not be surprised if Stillen tested the pulley and saw 8psi all day like I do, but then when the kit started going out, they started getting more and more people breaching 8psi on the dyno so they pulled it back. In my opinion, no one's going to hit advertised numbers because of this...less boost + carb constraints. However, if you ask me, I think you can get 430whp out of the lower boost pulley if you get custom tuned. 450whp with the higher boost pulley that you might as well get if you ARE getting custom tuned. Quote:
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Does the tune actually have to be "locked down" and unalterable to get CARB? I thought someone mentioned that that was why Stillen was going this particular uprev route and why standard tuning wouldn't work for the application. Anyone know for sure?
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its locked u arent able to alter the tune or see the parameters of the tune. All they have asked of my shop after every tune fails is to send them the dyno. My shop has called stillen dozens of times to talk about my kit. Im not hiding anything and we are giving stillen everything that they have requested. Believe me i would rather be driving my car than talk about the stillen supercharger shortcomings. Luckily my shop rocks they havnt charged me to install the 7 different tunes or the 7 different dynos. Stillen claims they have the right tune after the previous one failed i have to drive a hour to my shop, have my shop install the tune and dyno which takes another hour, then i have to drive another hour home. Three hours of my time for each tune x seven tunes.
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Its the tune.
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I know you're pissed, but if it were me, I'd go back to the "driveable" tune and just sit on it until Stillen can come up with a fix or stops trying. It doesn't cost you anything, and if the hardware is good, I bet the tune problems will get fixed eventually. Even if they don't, you get an custom tune and you will end up about where you want to be since no one else is going CARB as far as I know. A lot also depends on how long you have to return it. I'd check with Stillen on that. Otherwise you are gonna be out a good bit more money and more time to start over.
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I haven't had an opportunity to drive mine with the r7 tune so I can't really comment on how it runs yet. Although, regardless of how it may run I am going with a custom tune in the next couple of weeks. I spoke with a very reputable tuner in the Montreal area regarding the ongoing issues and he will just overide the Stillen tune with his own.
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On carb cert: stillens current tunes aren't carb
certified. If they get one certified and you load it into rom, will Stillen give you the sticker, or do you have to buy the unit after they get approval, then send it to youbwoth only that one tune? If they will give you the sticker when they get one of their tunes approved, how is that different than running a custom tune for now, then running the carb approved tune once it's here? They should give you carb sticker if you revert your custom tune back, otherwise, they shouldnt be giving carb stickers to anyone who buys the kit before they get carb approval. On the topic of warranty: is there a warranty policy in writing? I didn't receive one. If it's not in writing, there is no warranty. If there is a written policy, can someone point me to it? I keep seeing people debate whether to do a custom tune because of the warranty issue. If Stillen warranties their carb tune, that means everyone who has run tune r1-r7 are running non-approved tunes which would not be warranty qualified. If Stillen will warranty their non-carb tunes, people like tomnavone that are running non-stock items like HFC's that could be causing poor performance with the canned tune, could get Stillen to custom tune their cars, get it work work right and still have the warranty. Just a thought, but I need more info on the true status of implied vs written warranty. |
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wel then go get someone that knows how to tune your car to do it. I think you know who you should call
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