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Zsteve · 03-12-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LaSeeno

With regards to future upgrades.

All you need for the stillen kit is a different pulley and supporting mods; with GTM you need_______________?

I really wish the Stillen kit had something to make the engine bay look "complete".

Upgrades are good for those that want it but most will stay stage 1 due to emission tests, longevity and all. So if you dont plan to upgrade then that isnt a factor, but for some it will be so it will be a factor to some. Since I plan to stay stage one it wont be in my factoring.

MMC Racing · 03-12-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Upgrades are good for those that want it but most will stay stage 1 due to emission tests, longevity and all. So if you dont plan to upgrade then that isnt a factor, but for some it will be so it will be a factor to some. Since I plan to stay stage one it wont be in my factoring.

This is not true for emissions. Going up 1 or 2 sizes (well, down actually to a smaller pulley on the blower) with proper tuning (and CATs still on the car) will pass every sniffer test out there. Specifically to California and visual inspections - you would have to go to a smog testing center that actually knew the correct diameter of the stock pulley and remember to measure for it. Same with getting a hood popped by a cop. This is really a non-issue. Absolute worst case is you change pulleys and get reinspected.

As to additional wear on a vehicle, we can look to the 350z community and see how many people went to atleast the 3.12" pulley as an upgrade and how the engine has held up.

Zsteve · 03-12-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

This is not true for emissions. Going up 1 or 2 sizes (well, down actually to a smaller pulley on the blower) with proper tuning (and CATs still on the car) will pass every sniffer test out there. Specifically to California and visual inspections - you would have to go to a smog testing center that actually knew the correct diameter of the stock pulley and remember to measure for it. Same with getting a hood popped by a cop. This is really a non-issue. Absolute worst case is you change pulleys and get reinspected.

As to additional wear on a vehicle, we can look to the 350z community and see how many people went to atleast the 3.12" pulley as an upgrade and how the engine has held up.

So why arent stage 2s carb legal? If I buy stage one and upgrade to stage two Im still in legal limits?

MMC Racing · 03-12-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

So why arent stage 2s carb legal? If I buy stage one and upgrade to stage two Im still in legal limits?

You miss my point. There is what is legal by the letter of the law (kit X with certification) and what will pass visual and sniffer tests, but not technically be legal (kit X with certification, but owner upgrade pulley and tune).

Then there is option 3, which is modifications not even close to legal, but you get someone to pass you.

Zsteve · 03-12-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

You miss my point. There is what is legal by the letter of the law (kit X with certification) and what will pass visual and sniffer tests, but not technically be legal (kit X with certification, but owner upgrade pulley and tune).

Then there is option 3, which is modifications not even close to legal, but you get someone to pass you.

Oh Ok so you are saying I can upgrade to stage 2, which by the law is not legal, but no one will be smart enough to tell that I did it.

MMC Racing · 03-12-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Oh Ok so you are saying I can upgrade to stage 2, which by the law is not legal, but no one will be smart enough to tell that I did it.

Cha-ching.. Or you spend the 30 minutes to change pulley/belt and reflash before inspection.

Abdiel · 03-12-2010, 03:54 PM

Just for giggles, here's a comparison of HP & TQ values between the two dyno images.

Values used to generate this composite image were made through visual approximation of the HP & TQ values. Should be fairly representative of the original individual curves... I think.