Oh Ok so you are saying I can upgrade to stage 2, which by the law is not legal, but no one will be smart enough to tell that I did it.

Cha-ching.. Or you spend the 30 minutes to change pulley/belt and reflash before inspection.

Just for giggles, here's a comparison of HP & TQ values between the two dyno images.

Values used to generate this composite image were made through visual approximation of the HP & TQ values. Should be fairly representative of the original individual curves... I think.

Guess you are just going to have to wait to see the differences in the Stage 1 kit vs. Stage 2 and Stage 3.

This topic has been beaten to death...one person says

-1 GTM because you have to change compressors

another says:

-1 Stillen because you are buying a compressor but not using it to it's full potential

another says:

-1 GTM because it's going to cost more to upgrade (with absolutely no supporting facts to prove this by the way)

It all really boils down to if you want a Supercharger and aren't planning on upgrading again later then pick the one you want based on something else...

If you want to upgrade later than you really need to wait and see all the options for upgrades...

...hell we don't even know what Stillen's upgraded kits cost for parts OR labor either...so you really can't make an arguement for one company over the other.

Buying and installing a new compressor housing is always going to be significantly more expensive than buying and installing a pulley.

That's all wonderful and everything, but until you can provide me with some actual information that tells me how much the stage upgrade is for each company's kit and then everyone on this forum can actually use those facts to determine which upgrade is more expensive...the idea holds no water.

Simply stating that because putting on one part is typically more expensive than another doesn't make Stillens stage upgrades cheaper than GTMs, which I know has been implied in some of the propaganda I've read in the forums.

Here's another good example of some of the trash i've seen...if you aren't willing to post psi numbers or factual proof...you can't make a claim that you've increased your horsepower and lowered your boost at the same time. That's marketing propaganda used to just hype up sales. If you are going to make that claim in a public forum, you'd better provide the information to back it up...if you don't...it's just marketing bullsh*t and an intelligent person can see that.

You can call me a Stillen hater all you want too, I'm not, I'm just going off of what I've seen in some of these forums, you can't tell me it's not true. I'll go pull all the posts that support my statement.

how bout we not turn this into a GTM vs. Stillen hate thread huh? Steve started the thread to do a comparo, not, my kit is better than your kit and visa versa.

FYI, here are the prices for some of GTMs stages: GTM Motorsports*::*FORCED INDUCTION*::*GTM G37 SUPERCHARGER KIT

In that case I guess we'll have to wait until GTM puts out a dyno with their CBE on the stage 1 because they have yet to do that (which by the way was not mentioned in Stillen's press release).

I realize you don't want to read this...but what I dont like is ppl discussing/comparing systems based on false advertising.

If you are going to market a product and put numbers out for what it does...the numbers shouldn't be skewed with other modifications, like their CBE.

I realize you may be an informed reader and have been keeping up with the other threads...but what about those that haven't...what about those that just saw the press release and said "WOW, Stillen's number's are better!". You can't tell me...that all that waiting we did why Stillen was putting together their release...they just missed this little detail? Really?

Take your "I love Stillen" hat off for a second and just tell me I'm wrong.

This thread is funny, you are getting all worked up over nothing. Its a supercharger man, relax, this is supposed to be fun.

I think it's cute you think I'm worked up. You got worked up when Shumby posted, so take your own advice...this again is assuming I'm worked up over something.

Yeah I realized I was being a complete idiot. Not worth it. I don't really care about this whole SC thing, I picked the one I think is better for my own reasons and thats all I care about.

Can't argue with you there. If only most people would just say the same thing, rather than try to formulate some sort of pro/con that isn't based on a relevant piece of factual information...these threads would be more informative.

Agreed. I did the same thing. I do find it entertaining to check out the info for both of these SC kits even though I've made my choice. Considering the factors that I find important, I have no doubt whatsoever I chose the right one for me.:tup:

Well, I think whats going on isn't about superchargers. I think its about people who have friends at company A or company B or simply they have just had a good experience with one or the other and feel like they have to fight the fight for them. I admittedly got caught in it too, but I can take a step back and see I was being immature.