Sam the new oil lines are sitting on each other that wont be a problem with vibration or anything will it?

I LOL'd :stirthepot::inoutroflpuke:



Sam,
Just curiouos, what is the current lead time before you start shipping kits?

I didn't see "Stillen" anywhere in his post. :icon17:

lol... here we go with Stillen vs. GTM... can't wait to see where the last few posts take this thread?!?!?!? :stirthepot:

Well so far it's pretty straight forward..

STILLEN Super Charger (heavy rims but aftermarket exhaust on AT)
HP 288->422 = +134HP
TQ 241->310 = +69TQ

GTM Super Charger (Stock 6MT)
HP 278->419= +141HP
TQ 236->330= +94TQ

That was funny.

In all seriousness...this kit is looking bad ***. Cant wait to see what Stage 2 and 3 put out with HFC/TP and an exhaust

now do that for every say 500 RPM and we are getting somewhere.

Yup, an overlay of both dynos on top of each other would work.:tup:

Im doing that in the A vs B thread but Im waiting for the new dyno for Stillen to put their info in.

Didnt want to get into the a vs b in their threads.

Not really, unless they were both dyno'd on at the same time, on the same dyno.

In fact, it wouldn't be fair to either company.

Both Stillen & GTM SC kits, same day, same dyno. That would be the ultimate shootout.

How about spicing that up with some online betting and live broadcast... hmmm :stirthepot:

And then we can follow it up with a trackday to see which car lasts through the sessions.

Yeah that would take too much time. I'm not THAT concerned to take that kind of time so I just went with peak numbers.:tup:

The stillen dealer by place will be selling there kit up here in Canada. He called me yesterday to tell me about it. No price and no boost levels yet.
Im hoping that some one buys one and brings it to the Ontario Z drag day this year. It will be a very friendly drag race. Or he may take it to the same shop were i dyno my car.
This may be settled in the great white north.

I'll try not to lap you.

/rawr

:iagree:

This would put a lot of myths, rumors, and lies to bed!

OMG date set . SAM installing my SC june first. wooot I cannot wait for this road trip

Agreed, I'm sure things will get less mythical when the rubber hits the road...

Nice Shumby... make sure to post some vids. Don't be like the TT guys that I have yet to see many videos from...(anyone know of any p.m. me with links cause I can't find much besides the customer test drive...can't remember brand...GTM maybe?... that was a good video, but haven't seen many other driving vids)

can't wait to see the dyno overlay... should be interesting

dooh:ughdance:

Giggity giggity, ALLLL RIGHHTT. :happydance:

Don't forget to bring along the GTM turbo kit to REALLY show what kind of power this motor is capable of.

I asked this in the Stillen thread too, but GTM will you have numbers on the IC as to how well it keeps temps down during hard drives and high temps?

I assume the answer to my question is 6/1/10 then.

So now we need a dyno with an aftermarket CBE from GTM. ALso what dyno do you guys use?

also

I know you guys will be answering questions like crazy now but here are a few things Id like to know:

Is the SC in its best effieciency range?
What is the weight of everything you added?
What are the intake temps after the cooler when driven hard?

Thanks guys and its a great looking kit, do you hear the SC wind up?

I love all the pics and videos on the dyno and everything but there is only one type of media for this type of product that will really have buyers figuring out how to put their kidney up for sale on the black market to pay for this kit. And this specific media type is action media. People want to see this kit burning some rubber and out being used in "action". This is what opens people's wallets and gets them lined up at the door step of GTM. Don’t get me wrong dyno numbers, pics and what not are just as important but what I really mean is I wanna see some action media! Burn some rubber GTM, 0-60's, 0-100's and maybe even a drift or two!

Or I guess you could wait for your customers to buy the kit and shoot some action media maybe a year or so from now. But for the manufacture to make the media to me is 10x's more professional and business like. The name GTM should hold such high standards, but hey that’s just my 2cents.

In to see Sam tell us why the Stillen kit sucks.

In to see the results of the GTM kit WITH an exhaust system. If people N/A were making the gains they were just imagine when tuned around a full exhaust system. The numbers will EASILY be on par or 10+whp more than the other kit.

Honestly tho, who cares if they are within 10whp of each other. It will literally come down to driver skill/preference at that point.

Love the drama....LOL

true, a question I asked in another thread was, between 4-7K rpms, which is going to make you faster, the tq or hp? I know both really but if you could only choose one.

Also if a SC is not working at its best efficiency, what does that really mean? I know you are not at max power then but would it effect mpg, how hard the engine works, etc.?

Efficiency is referring the compressor's adiabatic efficiency, or how much heat is added to the air charge when compressed.

You eventually get to a point where you can't make any power
because the intake air temperatures are too high.

So where is GTM? They have a few questions they need to answer.

busy perfecting the tuning for stage 2 and 3:driving:

Stillen S/C just annouced, i think GTM well face a tough competitor since Stillen made 438rwhp and the price is just $800 more.

Stillen did it with a Stillen CBE on the kit as well. They should have mentioned that in their press release too if you ask me. You aren't advertising correctly on what the kit's performance itself when you show numbers that have a CBE in it too.

GTM will surely beat or match their numbers with their stage 1 kit. Sam just doesn't have the time right now to put a CBE on either of the two cars because he's busy working on the stage 2 and 3. :)

ya i noticed that in stillens release. i was hoping someone else would say something about it as I am seen as a rouble maker. I cannot wait for my stage 2 kit with CBE and LTH

Wow I didn't realize they did that with a CBE on. Personally the low end TQ on the Stillen wasn't that great, i thought. Looked nearly stock in the low RPMs.

They mentioned they had a CBE well before the press release.

I can't believe people are going back and forth over maybe a 5% difference in numbers. The same person didn't tune these cars and that right there can be the difference. GTM may tune more aggressively based on their experience while Stillen may be more conservative. The kits are so darn close, it is like the margin for error in polling.

there are only 2 big differences in theses 2 kits that i can see..
1. One is 800 bucks more
2. Other wants full deposit
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I like the looks and price of the GTM just dont like being without my 5gs untill whereever the kit shows up.. but I'm going to to pay it anyway.