New Z or TT my 370?

NecioVato

I do agree with you that stat wise - the ZL1 is an incredible machine for the price (if you can get it at a fair price in this current market); but I also have to enjoy looking at it - and while I am sure it's NOT the same - when I was in my friend's SS 1st gen - I just felt like I was in a tank - felt like there was NO visibility and the front windshield was so small (I know the Z is no picnic either but compared to the Camaro - I feel like its easier to see out of etc).

But agreed - the ZL1 is one incredible machine.

abm89

I prefer to see where i'm going when driving.

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VHRpurr

Just get a Tesla Model S Plaid. Problem solved. Lol

Spooler

Yuk!!!! It can go fast but can't stop for chit.

abm89

After watching speed academy (sasha really) have the brake failure on track, no thanks.


Tis why if i got an EV, the Polestar 2 is on the top of my list.


Edit: didn't see the final page of this thread before posting, but that's the video!

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SeeThruHead

There was three zl1 1le at the track session today. And the owner and lead instructor owns a 1le as well. He even uses it for autocross. Major complaints from the owners are that tires are expensive and used up quickly. It's a damn nice looking car in person tho. Only bad visibility out the front if you're tall.

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Spooler

This comes to mind about the Tesla.

Spooler

Or this one.

Spooler

Or this one.

SeeThruHead

Tesla is also the one of if not the safest car in the world to actually be in a crash in.

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370Z944

I'm waiting to see the nismo. If it's not super hella tight 3000, I'm gonna put in a vr38.

Seems I could just swap a vr38 top end and all the plumbing and turbos of my choice. Build up the bottom end.. forged rods, knife edged crank, liners.. Not sure what bore and stroke increases are possible. Don't they share the same block? The GTR is just dressed up with bigger bore liners, or longer stroke, right? If the coolant passages line up.. it should be good to go. I could, in theory just by a GTR nismo top end and rebuild it, plug it in... intake, throttle body should all line up and look OEM.. the ultimate Z sleeper. Of course, would need a stand alone, tune, etc etc, etc $$$$ Or is there something I'm not seeing here?

Shrug. For me it's not cost tho. I'll never sell my nismo. The only way I'd sell this car was if the new one was just too friggin' sick to not have. It's about what I think would be cool to have. I like doing mods from the OEM parts bins. It's kinda my thing. I also like displacement... a lot. None of this stuff is cheap, even the "cheap" stuff. I've just accepted that cars are money pits lol. If I sink 100k into it to make it exactly how I want.. idc.(As long as I can space out that 100k at least a few years lmao) The 370 is damn close to exactly how I envision a perfect sports car to be. One of the best platforms to work from out there IMO. If it was built exactly how I want it, it would likely have had a prancing horse, and retailed for 250k+. I would easily dump millions into a 100% custom ground up one off build. It's a damn bargain in those terms.

Also, I think the nismo cars will go way up in value eventually. I'm roughly 100k into my 951, bought it for 12k 20 years ago. I'm doing a similar restomod parts bin build on it that's almost done. It's a 3.0 s2/68 951 top end swap. Sorted ones in any mileage are going for 50ish k now. Mine with the mods and total ground up resto is probably a 80-100k car now. My point is, it's all where you're true perceived value lies.

Anyway.. my .02.

Elmo370z

The 350 Nismo will go up in value, if it has been unmolested.

370Z944

100%

Sometimes I regret not getting the 350 nismo. Frankly, I think the first gen 370 nismo is better tho. I came across two while sourcing my 2011. I think in 20 years the badged 370 nismos will be pretty collectible. In 20 years you'll be able to pop the hood and still go.. no ****.. a vr top end.. rad. The stillen, FI, <insert random aftermarket parts huckster> cars will likely long be forgotten about. Rotting in some storage unit, or barn cause they couldnt get the parts to fix it, and just said eff it. It should also be CARB compliant. Will pass smog and visual.. Looks OEM. Theyre not gonna remove intakes and parts to look for turbos underneath.

That's one of the great things about keeping mods in the OEM bins.. It's arguably not molesting it. Not everyone agrees, but enough do to make the mods worth it in the long run, if done right. It takes a while to find the right buyer to appreciate it, and chunk ouyt a premium for it, but they're around. MA motorsports would be a good shop to do the build if hedging against deflation I think. Of course if you really want to impress and shut up even the most purist snobs you could try to get nismo to do it. MA is pretty closely affiliated with their motorsports division tho, so in 20 years it could still be considered OEM built even. In the Porsche world we have the classic cars program now and porsche will completely disassemble and rebuild your car with original factory tooling. MA is kinda like andial in the porsche world. Porsche ended up buying andial.. Their old builds are basically oem porsches to collectors. Ruf comes to mind, they never built 944's but everyone has heard of them.

Spooler

Where did you get the idea that the VR38 heads would fit on a VQ37 and be better. The VR38 block is the valuable part. Not sure what you have been reading or have been told. That's a No go though.

370Z944

Well, this is one of those situations where I'm not entirely sure... yet. Part of why I brought it up. Now that the 944 is finally getting put back together I can start focusing on my Z. Not many have done this yet(if any), and I haven't taken one apart yet to find out. Based on what I'm seeing so far tho, the VQ and VR are the same block. Cast from the same molds. The difference is that they 'dress up' the VR block. Why buy a whole long block? I can just build up my vq bottom end myself, to my specs. Liners, close the deck, longer stroke, lower compression, forged rods. As long as the coolant passages line up it's gravy. They should. The main difference between the engines bottom ends is that the VR is built for boost, and a slightly longer stroke. Also why slapping on aftermarket turbos onto a high compression stock bottom end is not a good idea, and in 20 years will be worthless. Why use the VR heads? "Bett
er"? Whether the vq heads are better is subjective. They're not built for boost, and I'm pretty sure they wont line up with the GTR intake and plumbing. I could be wrong tho. I havent sunk my teeth into all the fine details, yet. I'm certainly not seeing how it's a "no go" though. Unless you got schematics proving otherwise.

They also share the same core chassis FWIW. If any nissans were truly bespoke, they'd be priced with ferraris, bugatti, pagani, etc. The FM platform is what all the rwd nissans share. Some chassis get sent down the line to be dressed up as altimas.. Some get sent over to the nismo plant and dressed up as sports cars with a vq or vr...

Also, in 20 years it will be nice to have as many matching numbers as possible when a concourse judge takes a long gander at it. lol