Need advice for 370z mainly track

Hotrodz · 12-01-2021, 06:51 PM

This has been entertaining! I am the guy that did things backwards. I TT my Z and then decided to take it to the track. It was a blast and it came with many consequences. I had no idea that I was going to fall in love with tracking my Z so it became an up hill battle with all kinds of little and big issues. I lost track days and the use of my Z for all the reasons people have provided you. Having all that power even at low boost hindered my learning curve. It is much easier to learn and improve quickly in a slower car than one that is trying to kill you the faster you get. I don't think Ivam wrong when I say every boosted track guy has had significant downtime because of something breaking or troubleshooting shooting weird chit. You need another vehicle and expendable cash if you want to be boosted. My motor lasted three years at the track and the car has been under the knife for the last three years.

My advice, by a NA Z and enjoy it on the road and use the turbo/supercharger money and buy a Miata for the track. It will be cheaper in the long run and when you are ready for a go fast car you can continue to track until you boost your Z. At that point you can sell the Miata for what you paid for it. Even if you go to the track with an NA Z you will be surprised how fast it is and how slow you will be.

Just to give you a little perspective. My track times in my boosted Z when my motor blew were slower at some tracks than my times in the the Miata after I learned how to drive and not rely on horsepower. I love instructing newbies that think they can drive because they are fast driving canyon roads. I scare the crap out of them if the decide they want to do a ride along in the Miata, LMAO!

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Rusty · 12-01-2021, 10:06 PM

LISTEN to Hotrodz. He's been there, and lived it. And still paying for it. The man has a bucket full of experience and still has some luck left in his other bucket.

If the OP wants to see Jesus. He should drive a track prepped Viper.

That will give him a new outlook on life.

ytian9 · 12-01-2021, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

LISTEN to Hotrodz. He's been there, and lived it. And still paying for it. The man has a bucket full of experience and still has some luck left in his other bucket.

If the OP wants to see Jesus. He should drive a track prepped Viper.

That will give him a new outlook on life.

I got you guys. And I don't want to be there.
I will get the 2015 N/A one, and finish the cooling mods before track days.

Are these need to done before track days?
Z1 34 Row Oil Cooler,Brake Cooling kit, Brake Ducts, Diff Cooler, diff cover, SPL Solid Diff bushing kit, oil pan spacer.

These will be better to have I guess.
Z1 Power Steering Cooler,
Z1 Stainless Steel Hydraulic Clutch Line
ZSpeed Aluminum Under Pan Diffuser,
Hotchkis Billet Sway Bar Brackets,
Hotchkis rear Sway Bar,
Spl rear end link,
SPL Rear Knuckle Monoball Bushings.

OptionZero · 12-01-2021, 11:21 PM

One of the clutch slave solutions like the Zspeed HD or z1 cmak

Rusty · 12-02-2021, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ytian9

I got you guys. And I don't want to be there.
I will get the 2015 N/A one, and finish the cooling mods before track days.

Are these need to done before track days?
Z1 34 Row Oil Cooler,Brake Cooling kit, Brake Ducts, Diff Cooler, diff cover, SPL Solid Diff bushing kit.

These will be better to have I guess.
Z1 Power Steering Cooler,
[Z1 Stainless Steel Hydraulic Clutch Line Not needed
ZSpeed Aluminum Under Pan Diffuser,
Hotchkis Billet Sway Bar Brackets, Option
Hotchkis rear Sway Bar, Not needed
Spl rear end link,
SPL Rear Knuckle Monoball Bushings.

Start off with a 34 oil cooler. Good brake pads. Brake fluid. Some like Motul 600, or 660. Wrap the clutch line down by the exhaust with insulation. This will help from boiling the fluid. Bleed the clutch fluid with Motul 600 or 660. After you get faster, add parts as needed.

The brake ducts will come after a few trackdays.

If you inspect the rear diff and see a black streak on it. The rear diff bushing has failed. You then have a choice of different diff bushings. Solid or poly. I have the solid SPL in mine. At this point. when doing the diff bushing. You can change the diff cover. Be a good time to change the oem VLSD to a better LSD. There is a couple of them you can pick from. The diff cooler is for when you are using a clutch type LSD for the most part. Something like the OS Giken, Nismo Pro, Cusco. I have the OS Giken LSD.

The power steering cooler is not a bad idea. I have one. tip. Only fill it to the fill line. If you add more then that. You will have a mess on your hands when the steering fluid heats up and expanses. It will flow out of the cap.

Read some build threads. It will help you out. Here's mine.

Rusty's Nismo Journal

2011 Nismo#91 · 12-02-2021, 06:28 AM

Mandatory
34 Row oil cooler change oil prior to each even.
Brake Fluid RBF 600/660, Castrol SRF, or better; and a tool to check water content.
Brake Pads Carbotec XP10 front 8 rear or better.

Very useful
Fuel Starve fix, CJM
A track app that overlays video with odbii info.
Prepping your car and getting a good nights rest before you arrive at the track and doing multi day events.

Also Read these great tips and info.
Autocross to Win (DGs Autocross Secrets) - ATW Home Page
» Track Day Prep Check List Road /// Race Engineering
Race & Track Driving (formerly Win HPDE)
Drive to Win: The Essential Guide to Race Driving (Book)
How to Make Your Car Handle (Book)

After you've read those I can help you spend tens of thousands of dollars on important items like safety because I am just assuming here you are more valuable then your car.

JARblue · 12-02-2021, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whjaxn17

You sure did bitch about having to work on your car or it being down a lot to have that kind of holier than thou attitude

He installed one of the first boosted kits for the Z himself. I'd say he had every right to bitch and moan about the effort he gave to help pave the way for the products and information we have available now. OP is clearly not using any of that information.

Chuck doesn't mince words so he's not exactly polite. But there's no need to be passive aggressive; just call him an azzhole. He's used to it so he doesn't mind

Jhill · 12-02-2021, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

Mandatory
34 Row oil cooler change oil prior to each even.
Brake Fluid RBF 600/660, Castrol SRF, or better; and a tool to check water content.
Brake Pads Carbotec XP10 front 8 rear or better.

Very useful
Fuel Starve fix, CJM
A track app that overlays video with odbii info.
Prepping your car and getting a good nights rest before you arrive at the track and doing multi day events.

Also Read these great tips and info.
Autocross to Win (DGs Autocross Secrets) - ATW Home Page
» Track Day Prep Check List Road /// Race Engineering
Race & Track Driving (formerly Win HPDE)
Drive to Win: The Essential Guide to Race Driving (Book)
How to Make Your Car Handle (Book)

After you've read those I can help you spend tens of thousands of dollars on important items like safety because I am just assuming here you are more valuable then your car.

I’d add sway bars to the very useful category. At least to me the stock had way to much roll and pushed like crazy in stock form. Switched bars before even first track day as it was terrible just on freeway on ramps.

Whjaxn17 · 12-02-2021, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

He installed one of the first boosted kits for the Z himself. I'd say he had every right to bitch and moan about the effort he gave to help pave the way for the products and information we have available now. OP is clearly not using any of that information.

Chuck doesn't mince words so he's not exactly polite. But there's no need to be passive aggressive; just call him an azzhole. He's used to it so he doesn't mind

That's fair. I know he's been around the platform and knows what he's talking about, but not everyone has the space, time, equipment, or some combination of those to do everything themselves, so to say they have no business even owning said car because they have a shop do the labor is ridiculous. It will make it more expensive and time consuming, but I'd expect OP knew that going in.

Chuck33079 · 12-02-2021, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

just call him an azzhole. He's used to it so he doesn't mind

Azzhole is what my friends call me. It only gets worse from there.

JARblue · 12-02-2021, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whjaxn17

I'd expect OP knew that going in.

That's a lot to ask

Hotrodz · 12-02-2021, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Azzhole is what my friends call me. It only gets worse from there.

LMAO, what I say to people is may be an azz hole but I am working on being the perfect azz hole!

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2011 Nismo#91 · 12-02-2021, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jhill

I’d add sway bars to the very useful category. At least to me the stock had way to much roll and pushed like crazy in stock form. Switched bars before even first track day as it was terrible just on freeway on ramps.

They are very useful and "relatively cheap" but you need end links with them. But not having them will not ruin your day.

I'd use that money first for:
Track Safety Gear:
A proper set of racing fire retardant gloves, shoes, socks, and under garments. Bright color gloves help with point bys.
A fire extinguisher and mount. I use to following
The Bracketeer Car Fire Extinguisher Bracket
Amerex Handheld Extinguisher - Halon 2.5lb

Rusty · 12-02-2021, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Azzhole is what my friends call me. It only gets worse from there.

Like this?

Jhill · 12-02-2021, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

They are very useful and "relatively cheap" but you need end links with them. But not having them will not ruin your day.

I'd use that money first for:
Track Safety Gear:
A proper set of racing fire retardant gloves, shoes, socks, and under garments. Bright color gloves help with point bys.
A fire extinguisher and mount. I use to following
The Bracketeer Car Fire Extinguisher Bracket
Amerex Handheld Extinguisher - Halon 2.5lb

Those things are nice but realistically how many people at the track actually have all that and this is his first track experience (if I read right). Odds are he will need a lot of track time before he’s even near pushing it to the limits to require all that. Just get the car in a comfortable spot and learn slow and safe.

12-01-2021, 06:51 PM	#46 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	This has been entertaining! I am the guy that did things backwards. I TT my Z and then decided to take it to the track. It was a blast and it came with many consequences. I had no idea that I was going to fall in love with tracking my Z so it became an up hill battle with all kinds of little and big issues. I lost track days and the use of my Z for all the reasons people have provided you. Having all that power even at low boost hindered my learning curve. It is much easier to learn and improve quickly in a slower car than one that is trying to kill you the faster you get. I don't think Ivam wrong when I say every boosted track guy has had significant downtime because of something breaking or troubleshooting shooting weird chit. You need another vehicle and expendable cash if you want to be boosted. My motor lasted three years at the track and the car has been under the knife for the last three years. My advice, by a NA Z and enjoy it on the road and use the turbo/supercharger money and buy a Miata for the track. It will be cheaper in the long run and when you are ready for a go fast car you can continue to track until you boost your Z. At that point you can sell the Miata for what you paid for it. Even if you go to the track with an NA Z you will be surprised how fast it is and how slow you will be. Just to give you a little perspective. My track times in my boosted Z when my motor blew were slower at some tracks than my times in the the Miata after I learned how to drive and not rely on horsepower. I love instructing newbies that think they can drive because they are fast driving canyon roads. I scare the crap out of them if the decide they want to do a ride along in the Miata, LMAO! Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk JARblue, OptionZero, Rusty and 3 others like this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

12-01-2021, 10:06 PM	#47 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,219 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	LISTEN to Hotrodz. He's been there, and lived it. And still paying for it. The man has a bucket full of experience and still has some luck left in his other bucket. If the OP wants to see Jesus. He should drive a track prepped Viper. That will give him a new outlook on life. JARblue, Hotrodz, Elmo370z and 2 others like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

12-01-2021, 11:21 PM	#49 (permalink)
OptionZero A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,235 Drives: 15 370Z Nismo 6MT Rep Power: 214100	One of the clutch slave solutions like the Zspeed HD or z1 cmak __________________ OptionZero Build Thread

12-02-2021, 06:28 AM	#51 (permalink)
2011 Nismo#91 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 2,402 Drives: slowly Rep Power: 40569	Mandatory 34 Row oil cooler change oil prior to each even. Brake Fluid RBF 600/660, Castrol SRF, or better; and a tool to check water content. Brake Pads Carbotec XP10 front 8 rear or better. Very useful Fuel Starve fix, CJM A track app that overlays video with odbii info. Prepping your car and getting a good nights rest before you arrive at the track and doing multi day events. Also Read these great tips and info. Autocross to Win (DGs Autocross Secrets) - ATW Home Page » Track Day Prep Check List Road /// Race Engineering Race & Track Driving (formerly Win HPDE) Drive to Win: The Essential Guide to Race Driving (Book) How to Make Your Car Handle (Book) After you've read those I can help you spend tens of thousands of dollars on important items like safety because I am just assuming here you are more valuable then your car. Rusty, Hotrodz and Elmo370z like this. __________________ GTR TT 493Whp/431lbft, Ecutek, Southbend 6puck,Quaife, RPM RollBar 4Point, R888R, JRZ RSPro F(10R/10C) R(10R/6C) 1000f500r inlbs+150inlbs Tender, SPL everywhere.Full Specs Last edited by 2011 Nismo#91; 12-02-2021 at 06:32 AM.

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