I used to work for Elliott TurboMachinery, rebuilding large turbo's. :icon14: Without looks at the turbo up close. Can't really do a root cause analysis. But just by going on the info at hand. That would lead me to the bearings.

That is exactly what happened. Comp can stuff the "it ate something" BS. The inside of the filter and turbo where squeaky clean and you could clearly see the fins on the intake side had touched the housing. There was also a slight amount of play on both sides.

It was most definitely was a bearing failure. Someone somewhere is trying to hide what happened.

Assumptions without facts is always a bad idea.

Like I said before, there was an incident where the compressor cover was removed from the turbo at time of install, and not installed back properly (square). The damage was identical to this, and forum warriors were all over it...*Sh!t turbo, "turbo needs oil brooo"...bla, bla...BLA!

No different than 3 customers having overboost issues...forum experts jump right on that too, and say poor design of kit, this that and a bunch of other BS. Only to find out that the installer mixed up the vacuum lines.

Always enjoy opinions, base on 3% of knowledge about the actual situation. Been doing this for a long time, seen it all.

As for "play", every turbo has "play", especially a JB turbo. If it didn't, it would explode the first time it gets up to the 1,400 deg F operating mark under full load.

The fact is nothing went through this turbo. You and comp are assuming that happened.

And yes. Turbos need oil. Another thing they need is coolant. The first one is why your kit didn't make my short list. The second is some kind of bad joke

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And how many of those janky air cooled turbos did you have drop shipped without changing your product description? I'm sure BettyZ wasn't the only person to open the box and go

"wtf is this? I didn't buy this"

"they cool the hot bearing housing with hot air and it's not even hooked to the oiling system to help cool it off"

No wonder the warranty is crap.

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Sasha I know eventually these turbo were going to come back to haunt you.

I mentioned many types of higher quality turbos like the borg wargner efr9180, garett g35-950. The oil less turbo method limits the customer's choices.

I'm not sure how it works in Canada, but in all 50 States, offering a customer a product, and then delivering something significantly different, not only voids the contract but is also illegal. The technical term would be "fraud."

May not apply in my case as I learned this before delivery and accepted the delivery. But for those that had no idea, and thought they were getting a water-cooled turbo, there may be a cause of action there.

Pretty sure this thread won’t be edited to “Installer error & not Mfg.defect”
As I helped install & know everything was properly performed.
I knew about the clocking issue with the other turbo failure; as I was the one who first asked the question after viewing his post..(see pic)
So very much care was taken during the whole process from the differential,clutch,fuel system & turbo installation.
Only obstacle with the actual turbo install itself, was using a bit larger diameter bolts than what was supplied-to better align the housing & gasket on the twin scroll frame…..not to torque it down tighter; just for alignment purposes.
And had to remove & re-seal the pipe tape that was applied to the bottom coolant fitting…as it dripped after starting up the first time.
Other things we took care of & the owner is really meticulous about everything.
The appearance of the car shows this :tup:
Had the pleasure of working off of a brand new 4-post lift too.
So whatever internally failed on Turbo wasn’t an installation error!
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The air cooled turbo is a $200 upgrade...so customers were getting an upgrade at no extra charge...but okay....The itemized list was also updated a long time ago, and specifies "air cooled". There may have been a handful of customers where these upgraded turbos were shipped to, who may have seen the "water cooled" turbo on the part list.

How much cheaper is one that gets both oil and coolant? The downgrade to air cooled cost more than 2 lines and a couple fittings. If you downgraded to one that was properly lubricated does it cover the cost of a scavenge pump?

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So, with thousands of these turbos out there on so many different builds, you don't think it would be easy to find issues with this line of turbos?

Water cooled with lines is cheaper than air cooled, and air cooled is more reliable than a complete scavenge pump setup.

:rolleyes:

Does it still have that cracked windshield? :stirthepot:

Now you are just spewing BS to defend your product. That is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a long time. To top it off it's a new product so you have no data to prove it's more reliable in the real world.

It is impossible to keep temps as low as a real turbo especially with the location on your kit. The higher temps alone will equal reduced lifespan. That BS might work on the Facebook idiots but not on me.

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Thats what it was Jar. The rock that hit the windshield did some JFK bullet chit and time warped into the turbo 9 months later costing Madwi $3k and having his car down for 2 months in driving season. Good times :facepalm:

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I'll find out for sure next weekend when I tear that turbo apart.