Topgunz ROTREX C38R Supercharger Kit

rspray2000 · 09-20-2021, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ByThaBay

Yes, we are doing this using the built in ecutek boost control.

So if using EcuTek boost control, does it help or unnecessarily complicate to have an independent boost controller in-cabin? Considering merits of Innovate SCG1 vs PSB1.

TopgunZ · 09-20-2021, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rspray2000

So if using EcuTek boost control, does it help or unnecessarily complicate to have an independent boost controller in-cabin? Considering merits of Innovate SCG1 vs PSB1.

For $40 more the scg-1 let's you dial in boost per psi. But, it's not as fast going from say a daily map of 10psi to a kill map of 17psi. Plus, you will be tempted to dial it up "just a little more" lol

NorthStyle · 09-21-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rspray2000

So if using EcuTek boost control, does it help or unnecessarily complicate to have an independent boost controller in-cabin? Considering merits of Innovate SCG1 vs PSB1.

What would be your purpose for having an in-cabin boost controller if you already have the ability to change the map/boost pressure via the ECU?

TopgunZ · 09-21-2021, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NorthStyle

What would be your purpose for having an in-cabin boost controller if you already have the ability to change the map/boost pressure via the ECU?

Because then you can literally dial in whatever boost you want from 10psi up to 20+ psi. I dont think your tuner would want to have you upload 50 maps. Do you really need more than 3 boost levels? most dont

However, I am not sure all tuners are capable of actually knowing how to control the solenoid. If they cant, then a boost controller will be required.

VHRpurr · 09-21-2021, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ

Because then you can literally dial in whatever boost you want from 10psi up to 20+ psi. I dont think your tuner would want to have you upload 50 maps. Do you really need more than 3 boost levels? most dont

However, I am not sure all tuners are capable of actually knowing how to control the solenoid. If they cant, then a boost controller will be required.

I mean, hell…. I plan on running 2 maps. Hi and Lo, with a flex fuel sensor…. I guess I’m mature enough to know “just 1 more pound” is like going back for a 3rd plate on Thanksgiving…. It’s all sh1ts and giggles, until someone giggles then sh1ts at the repair bill.

NorthStyle · 09-22-2021, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ

Because then you can literally dial in whatever boost you want from 10psi up to 20+ psi. I dont think your tuner would want to have you upload 50 maps. Do you really need more than 3 boost levels? most dont

However, I am not sure all tuners are capable of actually knowing how to control the solenoid. If they cant, then a boost controller will be required.

I know the purpose and function of boost control however, my question wasn't directed at you TGZ (hope I'm not coming off as a d!ck, wasn't my intention). It was more to make a point: How many forms of boost control does a single, street-driven car need, and why use the boost solenoid if you're just going to go and mess with the boost controller after that has already been setup?

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Originally Posted by VHRpurr

I mean, hell…. I plan on running 2 maps. Hi and Lo, with a flex fuel sensor…. I guess I’m mature enough to know “just 1 more pound” is like going back for a 3rd plate on Thanksgiving…. It’s all sh1ts and giggles, until someone giggles then sh1ts at the repair bill.

That was my point... no one needs "50 maps" when 2-3 will be enough for most. On top of that, paying to have ~3 maps specifically configured then going back and playing with the boost controller on top of those tunes have been calibrated is just asking for trouble imo.

But hey, I only pay for my own car so what the next guy/girl does is up to them.

TopgunZ · 09-23-2021, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NorthStyle

It was more to make a point: How many forms of boost control does a single, street-driven car need, and why use the boost solenoid if you're just going to go and mess with the boost controller after that has already been setup?

You would not use both forms. You can only use one solenoid so you would either use that solenoid to be controlled directly from Ecutek/ECU or you would control it from the boost control head unit/gauge.

I may have confused some guys when stating "50 maps". We run the scg-1 in the RnD car and the car was tuned by a good tuner (Eugene) who sets this thing up so that the injectors automatically scale to the psi the MAP sensor is reading. Therefore, you have unlimited boost bandwidth. Meaning I could go from 10 psi up to 20+psi in .5 psi increments and the cars AFR's would be spot on at any given psi/herspers.

Kind of nice if you have it set to 11psi for a daily but drink a lot of coffee one morning and decide you want to drive to work at 13psi instead...lol..

NorthStyle · 09-23-2021, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ

You would not use both forms. You can only use one solenoid so you would either use that solenoid to be controlled directly from Ecutek/ECU or you would control it from the boost control head unit/gauge.

That's what I was saying

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