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DUSHER 12-29-2019 12:53 PM

what parts are needed to increase boost for Stillen Supercharger
 
As of right now I have the following parts/upgrades on my car:
  • Stillen supercharger
  • topgunz air to air upgrade
  • walbro 520
  • ID1050x injectors
  • CJM twin fuel pump
  • CJM S1.SE return system
  • Motordyne cats and catback exhaust
  • Stillen headers

I've read over 50 pages on the A2A thread and cant get a definitive answer on what parts are needed. I'm looking to get around 500-550hp. Also I will be running 91. Also Seb is currently tuning my car. Thanks for the help!

nic370 12-29-2019 12:57 PM

How much power are you planning to make ?
That would tend to determine what upgrades are needed



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DUSHER 12-29-2019 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nic370 (Post 3897663)
How much power are you planning to make ?
That would tend to determine what upgrades are needed



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good point and I was just thinking about adding that. Would be happy to be around 500-550. Will be running 91 octane unless you guys recommend other wise.

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DUSHER (Post 3897664)
good point and I was just thinking about adding that. Would be happy to be around 500-550. Will be running 91 octane unless you guys recommend other wise.

13 psi is about the max you'll be able to run on 91 octane. With the 9lb pulley and a 2.85 sc pulley, my car made 12.86 psi and 586whp on e85 with the same upgrades that you have. I can't remember what my 91 octane numbers were but was probably a little over 500.

I would go flex fuel. 91 and e85.

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 01:09 PM

You list a single walbro 520 but then you show a CJM twin pump. Why would you have a twin pump set up with a single pump?

DUSHER 12-29-2019 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3897666)
You list a single walbro 520 but then you show a CJM twin pump. Why would you have a twin pump set up with a single pump?

I got the twin fuel pump assembly for a pretty good price. Also when I took out my stock pump assembly the rods were already broken. So instead of buying a new nissan oem assembly I just bought the twin assembly for a good price.

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DUSHER (Post 3897670)
I got the twin fuel pump assembly for a pretty good price. Also when I took out my stock pump assembly the rods were already broken. So instead of buying a new nissan oem assembly I just bought the twin assembly for a good price.

And when you want to go for big power (and you will), you'll need twin pumps. :rofl2:

DUSHER 12-29-2019 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3897672)
And when you want to go for big power (and you will), you'll need twin pumps. :rofl2:

After reading spooler's thread I dont think that will be the case. I dont feel like replacing the block lol.

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DUSHER (Post 3897677)
After reading spooler's thread I dont think that will be the case. I dont feel like replacing the block lol.

You'd never be making enough boost to lift the heads.

nic370 12-29-2019 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3897679)
You'd never be making enough boost to lift the heads.

Haven't our engine's been known to do that around 12/13 psi

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redondoaveb 12-29-2019 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nic370 (Post 3897680)
Haven't our engine's been known to do that around 12/13 psi

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Not sure but mine had no issues at 16.5.

nic370 12-29-2019 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3897684)
Not sure but mine had no issues at 16.5.

That's good to know

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"Z"en 12-29-2019 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nic370 (Post 3897680)
Haven't our engine's been known to do that around 12/13 psi

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It depends on what fuel your using. Boost pressure is knock limited.

nic370 12-29-2019 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by "Z"en (Post 3897687)
It depends on what fuel your using. Boost pressure is knock limited.

Here in uk its 99 octane
I believe that's like your 91

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"Z"en 12-29-2019 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DUSHER (Post 3897662)
As of right now I have the following parts/upgrades on my car:
  • Stillen supercharger
  • topgunz air to air upgrade
  • walbro 520
  • ID1050x injectors
  • CJM twin fuel pump
  • CJM S1.SE return system
  • Motordyne cats and catback exhaust
  • Stillen headers

I've read over 50 pages on the A2A thread and cant get a definitive answer on what parts are needed. I'm looking to get around 500-550hp. Also I will be running 91. Also Seb is currently tuning my car. Thanks for the help!

Single 520 paired with 1050 is way overkill for 91. Not good to run rich in low boost.

"Z"en 12-29-2019 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nic370 (Post 3897688)
Here in uk its 99 octane
I believe that's like your 91

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It should be like 93 in the states.

nic370 12-29-2019 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by "Z"en (Post 3897690)
It should be like 93 in the states.

Aghh ok

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redondoaveb 12-29-2019 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by "Z"en (Post 3897689)
Single 520 paired with 1050 is way overkill for 91. Not good to run rich in low boost.

Yeah, if he's only going to run 91 then you're right they are overkill. If he switches to flex fuel then he would need them.

DUSHER 12-29-2019 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by "Z"en (Post 3897689)
Single 520 paired with 1050 is way overkill for 91. Not good to run rich in low boost.

I'm just going with what Seb is recommending. With Seb's tune my afr doesnt look rich as well.

DUSHER 12-29-2019 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3897665)
13 psi is about the max you'll be able to run on 91 octane. With the 9lb pulley and a 2.85 sc pulley, my car made 12.86 psi and 586whp on e85 with the same upgrades that you have. I can't remember what my 91 octane numbers were but was probably a little over 500.

I would go flex fuel. 91 and e85.

as far as flex fuel/e85 would this be all I would need https://www.specialtyz.com/370z-g37/...-fuel-kit.html ? Also could you point me to a website where I could buy those pulleys at?

"Z"en 12-29-2019 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DUSHER (Post 3897698)
I'm just going with what Seb is recommending. With Seb's tune my afr doesnt look rich as well.

That might be bc of the way the base fuel pressure is being set. Twin pump is a better choice of staggered fuel pump setup for flex fuel tbh. Use the smaller one in low boost (or pure gas) and activate the bigger one to use both of them simutaneously in high boost (when running E).

"Z"en 12-29-2019 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DUSHER (Post 3897699)
as far as flex fuel/e85 would this be all I would need https://www.specialtyz.com/370z-g37/...-fuel-kit.html ? Also could you point me to a website where I could buy those pulleys at?

The kit shown seems to be for NA. Seb knows what kit suits you. There are options out there.

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DUSHER (Post 3897699)
as far as flex fuel/e85 would this be all I would need https://www.specialtyz.com/370z-g37/...-fuel-kit.html ? Also could you point me to a website where I could buy those pulleys at?

For flex fuel you will need the Zeitronix ECA-2. I'll find the links for the pulleys.

DUSHER 12-29-2019 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3897705)
For flex fuel you will need the Zeitronix ECA-2. I'll find the links for the pulleys.

Thanks for looking it up. https://www.specialtyz.com/zeitronix...and-gauge.html this the kit you're talking about?

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 03:22 PM

9lb pulley
https://conceptzperformance.com/stil...13_p_19055.php

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 03:25 PM

Supercharger pulley
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turtle64b 12-29-2019 03:26 PM

You can also change up the Supercharger-side pulley ratio. Larger on the jackshaft, smaller on the supercharger. There's a small pulley thread in this topic that I started to try to break up the large Supercharger topics into sub-topics.

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DUSHER (Post 3897706)
Thanks for looking it up. https://www.specialtyz.com/zeitronix...and-gauge.html this the kit you're talking about?

Yes sir, that's it.

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by turtle64b (Post 3897710)
You can also change up the Supercharger-side pulley ratio. Larger on the jackshaft, smaller on the supercharger. There's a small pulley thread in this topic that I started to try to break up the large Supercharger topics into sub-topics.

Yep, you can. I have a 3.47 jackshaft and a 3.00 sc. The problem with changing the jackshaft pulley is that you'll need to add a spacer to the sc pulley and idler pulley because the stock 3.2 jackshaft pulley is a different offset than the vortech pulley you'll be replacing it with.

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 03:35 PM

I forgot to add. If the sc pulley is changed to a 2.85 (with the jackshaft pulley remaining stock), then you'll need to change the tensioner pulley to a 3". That part # is Gates 36225.

DUSHER 12-29-2019 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3897712)
Yes sir, that's it.

thank you very much for the help. Will I have to change out the impeller with the new pulleys or should I be good?

"Z"en 12-29-2019 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DUSHER (Post 3897719)
thank you very much for the help. Will I have to change out the impeller with the new pulleys or should I be good?

It depends on your boost goal. But for other parts in its internal, the stock head unit won't hold up for long if your using exactly the same setup as that redondoaveb is having. He ran and will be running 928's rebuilt blower.

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DUSHER (Post 3897719)
thank you very much for the help. Will I have to change out the impeller with the new pulleys or should I be good?

Do you have the Sci or Si blower. If you have the Si then I wouldn't change the impeller.

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by "Z"en (Post 3897723)
It depends on your boost goal. But for other parts in its internal, the stock head unit won't hold up for long if your using exactly the same setup as that redondoaveb is having. He ran and will be running 928's rebuilt blower.

Of course the 2.85 is going to overspin the blower so the ceramic bearings would be a good upgrade. But, Seb had told me that he knows a few people that are overspinning it with the stock bearings and they haven't had any issues.

"Z"en 12-29-2019 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3897726)
Of course the 2.85 is going to overspin the blower so the ceramic bearings would be a good upgrade. But, Seb had told me that he knows a few people that are overspinning it with the stock bearings and they haven't had any issues.

I got one blown away with oil coming out of the shaft seal on stock internal for that RPM. So I'd not feel comfortable without the internal upgrades. With the Si and 9lb pulley, he will be seeing a little less than 11psi. This would suffice for most of the owners dding their cars.

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by "Z"en (Post 3897730)
I got one blown away with oil coming out of the shaft seal on stock internal for that RPM. So I'd not feel comfortable without the internal upgrades. With the Si and 9lb pulley, he will be seeing a little less than 11psi. This would suffice for most of the owners dding their cars.

True. That combo netted me 540whp on e85

"Z"en 12-29-2019 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3897735)
True. That combo netted me 540whp on e85

It's a hella good number!:tup:

redondoaveb 12-29-2019 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by "Z"en (Post 3897736)
It's a hella good number!:tup:

470 on 91, 540 on e85. Not bad for 10.2 psi

DUSHER 12-29-2019 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3897725)
Do you have the Sci or Si blower. If you have the Si then I wouldn't change the impeller.

its a Sci

Senna-F1 12-29-2019 10:04 PM

You’re gonna want a much better intake with a big air filter. Others, including myself, have proven this is the best way to increase boost.


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