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Spooler 12-08-2019 02:36 PM

Billet VQ37HR block.
 
I just sent an email to MazworX.com to see if they would be interested in making a Billet block for our VQ37Hr. They already make one for the VQ35DE platform. They make a Wet and Dry version. Guess we will see what happens.
If anyone else has some value to add, please post it here.

phunk 12-08-2019 03:44 PM

I asked them to make me one a couple years ago, they were not interested. If they have changed their feelings on that, let me know, I may interested.

As you probably know, there are several outfits producing VR38 blocks already. They would also be extremely well prepared to machine a HR block; in some ways, the VR38 is more similar to the HR than the DE block is.

redondoaveb 12-08-2019 04:08 PM

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Maybe RJ Manufacturing

Spooler 12-08-2019 04:08 PM

Phunk,
I just got an email back. They are interested if we can get a group buy of 5. So, if you are interested we need 3 more people. This can happen.

Spooler 12-08-2019 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3893772)
Maybe RJ Manufacturing

Sorry, I won't buy from them. I have my reasons and I will leave it at that.

redondoaveb 12-08-2019 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3893774)
Sorry, I won't buy from them. I have my reasons and I will leave it at that.

Understood :tiphat:

Martijn_b 12-08-2019 04:24 PM

I'm interested, if we can arrange international shipping.

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Spooler 12-08-2019 04:25 PM

Phunk,
If you know of someone better please investigate.

Spooler 12-08-2019 04:26 PM

If you are interested please understand these will not be cheap. I am not sure of the cost but I would expect around 10k.

redondoaveb 12-08-2019 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3893780)
If you are interested please understand these will not be cheap. I am not sure of the cost but I would expect around 10k.

The AMS VR38 blocks are 20k

phunk 12-08-2019 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3893790)
The AMS VR38 blocks are 20k

https://www.mazworx.com/pro-street-b...5de-block.aspx

Subtract GT-R tax, I would brace for around 13-14g with sleeves for a HR block.

Spooler 12-08-2019 05:22 PM

Damn that's gonna hurt. But if you trash one motor it will pay for itself, hence why I am at 800hp.

Elmo370z 12-08-2019 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3893794)
Damn that's gonna hurt. But if you trash one motor it will pay for itself, hence why I am at 800hp.

Hr or VHR?

phunk 12-08-2019 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3893797)
Hr or VHR?

same thing as far as a billet block is concerned

Spooler 12-08-2019 07:58 PM

Here are my numbers. Too build a motor with Forged pistons, High quality rods, JWT C2 cams, Suckerpunch oil pump, and new everything you are looking at a minimum of 16k. That does include labor and machine shop bill. IF you buy a Bryant racing crank, etc that is extra. If you pop the motor, you are looking at that and around 1 1/2 yr. wait to get it back on the road. So, a Billet block will actually pay for itself if we can get one built properly and it can take the abuse. Just food for thought.

Elmo370z 12-08-2019 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3893826)
Here are my numbers. Too build a motor with Forged pistons, High quality rods, JWT C2 cams, Suckerpunch oil pump, and new everything you are looking at a minimum of 16k. That does include labor and machine shop bill. IF you buy a Bryant racing crank, etc that is extra. If you pop the motor, you are looking at that and around 1 1/2 yr. wait to get it back on the road. So, a Billet block will actually pay for itself if we can get one built properly and it can take the abuse. Just food for thought.

Yeah at that price point why not just swap in Gtr motor. Cast blocks hold up to 1500whp.

Elmo370z 12-08-2019 08:29 PM

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Or contact these guys. I believe they have built a 3,000 Hp Hr

phunk 12-08-2019 08:50 PM

A VR swap is something worth considering but it will come with some disadvantages, especially for someone who did an incremental build and already has tons of VQ specific components. Its pretty likely that youd need to switch to a full standalone for a VR swap as well, which can be a pretty large expense in itself. If the cost were equal, I would take a billet VQ over a cast VR. The negative on the billet VQ is the guinea pig factor for the first round of users. Side note, I would be afraid to use a billet VQ without an upgraded crank, as imagine the tragedy of losing that billet block to a cheap stock crankshaft.

Spooler 12-08-2019 09:33 PM

Oh yeah, A Bryant racing crank would be a must. No way I would put a stock one in. LOL

Spooler 12-08-2019 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3893833)
Yeah at that price point why not just swap in Gtr motor. Cast blocks hold up to 1500whp.

Nothing bolts up. Our tranny will not work. It is more costly in the long run. Already had a conversation about it and mentioned it.

Elmo370z 12-08-2019 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3893853)
Nothing bolts up. Our tranny will not work. It is more costly in the long run. Already had a conversation about it and mentioned it.

What about adapter plates or just running a gtr trans?

phunk 12-08-2019 10:51 PM

GTR trans, GR6, is a rear transaxle combined with the rear differential. While not impossible, it would be a pretty big deal to put one in a Z. At this point you’re almost out of reasons to not entirely switch platforms

Elmo370z 12-09-2019 06:07 AM

Questions answered

Rusty 12-09-2019 07:56 AM

Sub'd.

Martijn_b 12-09-2019 09:21 AM

10k+ isnt worth it for me. I wont run over 600whp anyways.

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Spooler 12-09-2019 10:26 AM

I just got off the phone with Mark. If we can get 5 people to commit we are looking at $9000 to $9500 for each block With the Darton Sleeves all machined and ready to go. He also suggested to upgrade the head stud size. This will require some machining on the head to accommodate the larger studs. He was recommending 1/2in. studs. As far as the crank is concerned he said he would switch over to a Bryant racing crank at around 1500hp. This is a whole lot cheaper than what I thought it would be.

Spooler 12-09-2019 11:10 AM

You can also switch out to the VQ35HR heads if you are so inclined to do so and ditch the VVEL. You will need a standalone for this.

abm89 12-09-2019 11:22 AM

I'm just here to watch you spend money haha. This sounds interesting.

Spooler 12-09-2019 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by abm89 (Post 3893909)
I'm just here to watch you spend money haha. This sounds interesting.

When I picked up my car Brian said one thing that stuck with me. It went something like this.

"Sorry Derrick that we can't turn it up more. The solutions are not out there to keep it reliable. We'll have to wait for more innovation to correct the VQ37VHR platform before we can."

After looking at my next list of upgrades it just didn't make since to go forward without the solution. So why the heck can't I push for the innovation to get this issue corrected? So, this is my push for just that. I can make this happen if I get 3 more people. So hang on for the ride and watch this. It may or may not happen. I am cool with that.

Ghostvette 12-09-2019 12:36 PM

Sub'd. :tup:

hustleman222 12-09-2019 02:59 PM

Subbed for info

Zezus 12-09-2019 03:34 PM

i want to see this happen.
This could be such a crazy build.

Spooler 12-09-2019 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Zezus (Post 3893935)
i want to see this happen.
This could be such a crazy build.

Probably not considering we need 3 more folks. We shall see.

JARblue 12-09-2019 06:24 PM

Where is Bob and his money tree?

redondoaveb 12-09-2019 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3893957)
Where is Bob and his money tree?

After seeing this thread, he's out there guarding it with his life.

Spooler 12-09-2019 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3893957)
Where is Bob and his money tree?

He doesn't need it. I think he wants to be at a Max of 700 to 750hp. He will be fine at that level. This darn 1/2 mile stuff is going to require some more Horsey Power.

JARblue 12-09-2019 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3893962)
He doesn't need it. I think he wants to be at a Max of 700 to 750hp. He will be fine at that level. This darn 1/2 mile stuff is going to require some more Horsey Power.

We all know he doesn't need it. But you'll never convince him to get in on the group buy with that attitude lol

Spooler 12-09-2019 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3893980)
We all know he doesn't need it. But you'll never convince him to get in on the group buy with that attitude lol

LMAO, he already told me. His money tree is just about bare. He was watering and fertilizing it when I texted.

redondoaveb 12-09-2019 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3893981)
LMAO, he already told me. His money tree is just about bare. He was watering and fertilizing it when I texted.

His money tree is just about bare and you just happen to have the money for a billet block. Hmmm.

Rusty 12-09-2019 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3893988)
His money tree is just about bare and you just happen to have the money for a billet block. Hmmm.

Hotrodz better check his security cameras for the tree.


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