Billet VQ37HR block.

Elmo370z · 12-08-2019, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Here are my numbers. Too build a motor with Forged pistons, High quality rods, JWT C2 cams, Suckerpunch oil pump, and new everything you are looking at a minimum of 16k. That does include labor and machine shop bill. IF you buy a Bryant racing crank, etc that is extra. If you pop the motor, you are looking at that and around 1 1/2 yr. wait to get it back on the road. So, a Billet block will actually pay for itself if we can get one built properly and it can take the abuse. Just food for thought.

Yeah at that price point why not just swap in Gtr motor. Cast blocks hold up to 1500whp.

Elmo370z · 12-08-2019, 09:29 PM

Or contact these guys. I believe they have built a 3,000 Hp Hr

phunk · 12-08-2019, 09:50 PM

A VR swap is something worth considering but it will come with some disadvantages, especially for someone who did an incremental build and already has tons of VQ specific components. Its pretty likely that youd need to switch to a full standalone for a VR swap as well, which can be a pretty large expense in itself. If the cost were equal, I would take a billet VQ over a cast VR. The negative on the billet VQ is the guinea pig factor for the first round of users. Side note, I would be afraid to use a billet VQ without an upgraded crank, as imagine the tragedy of losing that billet block to a cheap stock crankshaft.

Spooler · 12-08-2019, 10:33 PM

Oh yeah, A Bryant racing crank would be a must. No way I would put a stock one in. LOL

Spooler · 12-08-2019, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

Yeah at that price point why not just swap in Gtr motor. Cast blocks hold up to 1500whp.

Nothing bolts up. Our tranny will not work. It is more costly in the long run. Already had a conversation about it and mentioned it.

Elmo370z · 12-08-2019, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Nothing bolts up. Our tranny will not work. It is more costly in the long run. Already had a conversation about it and mentioned it.

What about adapter plates or just running a gtr trans?

phunk · 12-08-2019, 11:51 PM

GTR trans, GR6, is a rear transaxle combined with the rear differential. While not impossible, it would be a pretty big deal to put one in a Z. At this point you’re almost out of reasons to not entirely switch platforms

Elmo370z · 12-09-2019, 07:07 AM

Questions answered

Rusty · 12-09-2019, 08:56 AM

Sub'd.

Martijn_b · 12-09-2019, 10:21 AM

10k+ isnt worth it for me. I wont run over 600whp anyways.

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Spooler · 12-09-2019, 11:26 AM

I just got off the phone with Mark. If we can get 5 people to commit we are looking at $9000 to $9500 for each block With the Darton Sleeves all machined and ready to go. He also suggested to upgrade the head stud size. This will require some machining on the head to accommodate the larger studs. He was recommending 1/2in. studs. As far as the crank is concerned he said he would switch over to a Bryant racing crank at around 1500hp. This is a whole lot cheaper than what I thought it would be.

Spooler · 12-09-2019, 12:10 PM

You can also switch out to the VQ35HR heads if you are so inclined to do so and ditch the VVEL. You will need a standalone for this.

abm89 · 12-09-2019, 12:22 PM

I'm just here to watch you spend money haha. This sounds interesting.

Spooler · 12-09-2019, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by abm89

I'm just here to watch you spend money haha. This sounds interesting.

When I picked up my car Brian said one thing that stuck with me. It went something like this.

"Sorry Derrick that we can't turn it up more. The solutions are not out there to keep it reliable. We'll have to wait for more innovation to correct the VQ37VHR platform before we can."

After looking at my next list of upgrades it just didn't make since to go forward without the solution. So why the heck can't I push for the innovation to get this issue corrected? So, this is my push for just that. I can make this happen if I get 3 more people. So hang on for the ride and watch this. It may or may not happen. I am cool with that.

Ghostvette · 12-09-2019, 01:36 PM

Sub'd.

12-08-2019, 09:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	A VR swap is something worth considering but it will come with some disadvantages, especially for someone who did an incremental build and already has tons of VQ specific components. Its pretty likely that youd need to switch to a full standalone for a VR swap as well, which can be a pretty large expense in itself. If the cost were equal, I would take a billet VQ over a cast VR. The negative on the billet VQ is the guinea pig factor for the first round of users. Side note, I would be afraid to use a billet VQ without an upgraded crank, as imagine the tragedy of losing that billet block to a cheap stock crankshaft. JARblue, Rusty, Elmo370z and 3 others like this. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

12-08-2019, 10:33 PM	#19 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,797 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	Oh yeah, A Bryant racing crank would be a must. No way I would put a stock one in. LOL Last edited by Spooler; 12-08-2019 at 10:36 PM.

12-08-2019, 11:51 PM	#22 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	GTR trans, GR6, is a rear transaxle combined with the rear differential. While not impossible, it would be a pretty big deal to put one in a Z. At this point you’re almost out of reasons to not entirely switch platforms Rusty, Elmo370z, Spooler and 1 others like this. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

12-09-2019, 08:56 AM	#24 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,180 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	Sub'd. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

12-09-2019, 10:21 AM	#25 (permalink)
Martijn_b Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Netherlands Posts: 280 Drives: 2010 370z MB 6MT Rep Power: 3786	10k+ isnt worth it for me. I wont run over 600whp anyways. Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk __________________ Instagram: Boosted_Fairlady

12-09-2019, 07:07 AM	#23 (permalink)
Elmo370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 5,709 Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6 Rep Power: 295378	Questions answered

12-09-2019, 11:26 AM	#26 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,797 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	I just got off the phone with Mark. If we can get 5 people to commit we are looking at $9000 to $9500 for each block With the Darton Sleeves all machined and ready to go. He also suggested to upgrade the head stud size. This will require some machining on the head to accommodate the larger studs. He was recommending 1/2in. studs. As far as the crank is concerned he said he would switch over to a Bryant racing crank at around 1500hp. This is a whole lot cheaper than what I thought it would be. phunk, JARblue, Rusty and 3 others like this.

12-09-2019, 12:10 PM	#27 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,797 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	You can also switch out to the VQ35HR heads if you are so inclined to do so and ditch the VVEL. You will need a standalone for this. JARblue and Rusty like this.

12-09-2019, 12:22 PM	#28 (permalink)
abm89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,386 Drives: 11 370Z \| 24 EL450 Rep Power: 64763	I'm just here to watch you spend money haha. This sounds interesting. Rusty, sx moneypit and wideglideleon like this. __________________ Complete Parts List: https://github.com/abm89/ztouge-build

12-09-2019, 01:36 PM	#30 (permalink)
Ghostvette A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Shawnee KS Posts: 5,698 Drives: 15 Magma Red 6MT Rep Power: 2684377	Sub'd. __________________ 2015 Magma Red 6MT Sport Tech/2012 Fairlady MB 6MT Base (RIP 08032018)https://www.nicoclub.com/FSM/370Z/Coupe/

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