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ssqpolo 09-20-2009 12:26 AM

saw the beast today. very hard not to steal it and put it on mine! i shoulda jumped on it first

SAM@GTM 09-20-2009 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by john370z (Post 203522)
I know I have a question and I am guessing many others are also interested in the answer as well. I would love to have a forced induction system (especially since I am at 5500 ft. elevation and am already loosing over 20% from that alone) but to use Ron Popeil’s term, I would like to “set it and forget it”. I would like the highest gains that are safe for the engine. I would not like to have the lifespan of the engine reduced by any significant amount. I do not want to have to take it to a tuner after the initial setup and install and initial tune. Basically I would like the overall reliability to remain while performance was greatly improved. Is this possible? Am I expecting too much? If I wanted 375+ rwhp, should I have bought a car that came that way from the factory? I would love to hear from GTM and Stillen about these questions. Thanks for your time and attention!
John

John

I don't think you are expecting too much, That is the way it should be and that is why we offer our GTM turn key so you can "set it and forget it " as you said .

-Our GTM Turn key solution whether TT or SC does not require a retune (maf tuning )

-Our engine management solution is done via flashing the factory ecu so basically you are getting the factory driveability just with a lot more power

Plus We are working on a good platform from the start, all those things will deliver what you are looking for and more ...All you have to do is just buy the GTM kit

Sam

SAM@GTM 09-20-2009 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HP Logic (Post 203717)
...We are finishing up our install very soon!.. :driving:

-Jack

Awesome. keep up the good work

Sam

SAM@GTM 09-20-2009 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 201879)
can the stock bumper fit over that?





Yes, It fits so good you can not even tell there is an intercooler behind the bumper ..

Sam

kdo2milger 09-20-2009 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBMW (Post 205095)
Hey kdo' depending on money/cost of the in Aus it is something i am seriously looking at. Also everything i have read about GTM here and other forums, you have great ability to allow the kit to grow in HP terms, when if you upgrade other parts of the engine etc..

As for Aussie, i cant believe Wiki says it's offensive LOL. That really cracks me up. I mean it really just is shortening "Australian" when you think of it.

:icon17: cool thanks mate :tup: i thought it was cool this whole time then when i saw that on wiki i was like ":eek:" i felt like the *** end of a horse :icon14:

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic (Post 205268)
almost there, hope to be tuning Tuesday or Wednesday

http://sfzcc.com/gus/370ztt1.JPG

http://sfzcc.com/gus/370ztt2.JPG

and that is looking flavorlicious :yum:

mikeyt750 09-20-2009 03:20 PM

Will this kit work with the Nismo? The reason I ask is because of the Strut that is up front.

kannibul 09-20-2009 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 205376)
John

I don't think you are expecting too much, That is the way it should be and that is why we offer our GTM turn key so you can "set it and forget it " as you said .

-Our GTM Turn key solution whether TT or SC does not require a retune (maf tuning )

-Our engine management solution is done via flashing the factory ecu so basically you are getting the factory driveability just with a lot more power

Plus We are working on a good platform from the start, all those things will deliver what you are looking for and more ...All you have to do is just buy the GTM kit

Sam


How far off is this kit from a "shadetree" mechanic install?

I mean, I'm not some whiz-bang mechanic, but, I might be able to DIY...I guess it depends on if the engine and transmission has to be dropped...(I'm sure it does, the more I think about it...)

Also, sorry if I missed it, what's the price (PM if by policy) - lastly, will the 7AT handle this?

370z4Steve 09-20-2009 08:25 PM

My review of the Kit

SAM@GTM 09-21-2009 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 370z4Steve (Post 206283)

:tup:

Sam

fstrnldr 09-22-2009 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 206253)
How far off is this kit from a "shadetree" mechanic install?

I mean, I'm not some whiz-bang mechanic, but, I might be able to DIY...I guess it depends on if the engine and transmission has to be dropped...(I'm sure it does, the more I think about it...)

Motor and trans do not need to come out for the install. Every tech has different techniques, and tools that can make their own method quicker for installation on things like this, so you will see different ways of doing it from different shops. I do know first hand that the engine does not need to be removed for the installation on this, in fact my magic 8 ball tells me it was never even removed for the development of the TT kit.

TARDCORE 09-22-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 205391)
Yes, It fits so good you can not even tell there is an intercooler behind the bumper ..

Sam

So is the actual bumper plate still attached to the frame? Like if you got into small wreck would you still be able to drive it for a small distance or is it going to obliterate everything?

GingaBreadMan 09-22-2009 01:06 PM

Sam, great job with the kit. I can't wait for the full write-up. Was the Z bone stock when you started the installation? And will there be a difference if you TT a modded Z?

G37Sam 09-23-2009 07:34 AM

^ A TT'd Z becomes modded when you install that TT on it

Snakes709 09-23-2009 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by G37Sam (Post 209451)
^ A TT'd Z becomes modded when you install that TT on it

i believe he means, exhaust, hfc, pulley and so on

G37Sam 09-23-2009 08:27 AM

Well HFC will restrict flow, so will a N/A 2.5" exhaust, which will all be replaced by 3" piping for better flow and performance

Your N/A headers will also have to go for the Turbo header

Stilllen Gen 3 Intakes will obviously have to go.

Pulley? Not sure that would be safe on a TT setup but don't quote me though but even if it were, I'd say 5whp throughout the powerband?

bullitt5897 09-23-2009 01:56 PM

I enjoyed our talk today SAM! Hopefully we can get the ball rolling and get some more installers here in the South East. I will talk to Scott and see if I can get them to Join the forum :tup: Keep up the great work and I hope to have your kit on a cover sooner than later ;)

Mike

jmlenz 09-25-2009 09:42 PM

now that is the ultimate sleeper

SAM@GTM 10-03-2009 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 209991)
I enjoyed our talk today SAM! Hopefully we can get the ball rolling and get some more installers here in the South East. I will talk to Scott and see if I can get them to Join the forum :tup: Keep up the great work and I hope to have your kit on a cover sooner than later ;)

Mike

Same here, We look forward to it, It is going to be fun :D

Sam

Neo187H 10-03-2009 03:35 PM

The stage one kit says its good for up to 500HP, is that at the flywheel or rear wheel?

Zguy 10-04-2009 09:23 PM

I dont think anyone besides the factory measures to the Flywheel. Im pretty sure all or a majority measure to the wheels.

SAM@GTM 10-04-2009 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Neo187H (Post 221189)
The stage one kit says its good for up to 500HP, is that at the flywheel or rear wheel?

All the HP rating on our website is based on the turbo capacity and what ever is listed it does pertain to the crank output not the wheel. Having said that all those numbers are very very conservative to say the least, For an example our GTM stage one turboo kit is rated @ 500 bhp but we have made 584 RWHP on an 08 350z HR .

Here a link to that

GT Motorsports:350ZHRTT, GTM HR Turbo Kit STG 1,GTM HR ECU FLASH, Stock Block Testing - MY350Z.COM Forums

Sam

gromano 10-04-2009 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozzy 370Z (Post 205241)
HI Sam,

Could you provide the details of the workshop in suatralia that has ordered the Kit? Interested in one of these too..


Ditto Sam!! Please let me know where the workshop is in Australia that ordered the kit!
I too am very interested, once I can get the funds together!!!

Thanks!!

SAM@GTM 10-05-2009 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gromano (Post 222743)
Ditto Sam!! Please let me know where the workshop is in Australia that ordered the kit!
I too am very interested, once I can get the funds together!!!

Thanks!!

The shop's name is revzone and i think they are located in milburn Australia

Sam

Sharif@Forged 10-05-2009 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 209991)
I enjoyed our talk today SAM! Hopefully we can get the ball rolling and get some more installers here in the South East. I will talk to Scott and see if I can get them to Join the forum :tup: Keep up the great work and I hope to have your kit on a cover sooner than later ;)

Mike

We are right next door to you Mike. :tup:

DeadZero 10-06-2009 01:22 AM

Here is my Very First post to the forum. And this is a question that has not been asked about your twin turbo kit so far... i did search threw all the pages and didn't find this answer.

Sam, is it possible with the twin turbo kit to be able to have 2 different size turbo's? One for the quick spool and low-mid range power and a larger turbo for mid-high range power?

Kinda like a gt28 and a gt35r set-up??

i'm not a noob with turbo's, i've met you a few times with 2c. I also used to have a boosted s2000, but unfortunately it was totaled in a horrible accident and i am going to be salvaging all my parts to buy a 370z within the next month or 2. and the first order of business i'll be having with you is to install this kit.

But for the time being, i'm curious what the options are, if it is possible 2 different size turbo's are available, if not. what stage would you consider to be if i requested Twin Gt30's

Thank you

- Chris

MrBMW 10-06-2009 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 222752)
The shop's name is revzone and i think they are located in milburn Australia

Sam

Thanks for that Sam.

They dont have much of a Website basically just a front end, with contact details. Off the top of my head they are know for Honda work but i'm sure a search through our local forums would reveal more about them.



bullitt5897 10-06-2009 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadZero (Post 224027)
Here is my Very First post to the forum. And this is a question that has not been asked about your twin turbo kit so far... i did search threw all the pages and didn't find this answer.

Sam, is it possible with the twin turbo kit to be able to have 2 different size turbo's? One for the quick spool and low-mid range power and a larger turbo for mid-high range power?

Kinda like a gt28 and a gt35r set-up??

i'm not a noob with turbo's, i've met you a few times with 2c. I also used to have a boosted s2000, but unfortunately it was totaled in a horrible accident and i am going to be salvaging all my parts to buy a 370z within the next month or 2. and the first order of business i'll be having with you is to install this kit.

But for the time being, i'm curious what the options are, if it is possible 2 different size turbo's are available, if not. what stage would you consider to be if i requested Twin Gt30's

Thank you

- Chris

Chris,

Just so you know a Twin turbo kit like the one GTM is offering needs equal sized turbos. Here is one of the many reasons why: Each turbo powers one side of the block i.e. turbo A runs off the right bank of engine exhaust gases and Turbo B runs off the left bank of exhaust gases. Having a staggered setup like you suggested would end up with one side of the engine fully exhausted while the other side would not be fully utilized. So in Lamens terms turbo A would be at full boost while Turbo B would not causing the right bank of the engine and turbo parts to receive much more wear and tear than the left. Not to mention that this would negatively affect any power you make as well as be a complete B*tch to tune!

Like I said there are TONS of reasons why this would not be a good idea... And many on here could correct me and elaborate further on the subject.

As far as your GT30 question goes I would say a stage 3 or 4 should do the trick! but remember you have to be able to feed this puppy too! so their stage 4 or 5 fuel system would probably be your best bet!:tup: Good Luck

G37Sam 10-06-2009 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 224159)
Chris,

Just so you know a Twin turbo kit like the one GTM is offering needs equal sized turbos. Here is one of the many reasons why: Each turbo powers one side of the block i.e. turbo A runs off the right bank of engine exhaust gases and Turbo B runs off the left bank of exhaust gases. Having a staggered setup like you suggested would end up with one side of the engine fully exhausted while the other side would not be fully utilized. So in Lamens terms turbo A would be at full boost while Turbo B would not causing the right bank of the engine and turbo parts to receive much more wear and tear than the left. Not to mention that this would negatively affect any power you make as well as be a complete B*tch to tune!

Like I said there are TONS of reasons why this would not be a good idea... And many on here could correct me and elaborate further on the subject.

As far as your GT30 question goes I would say a stage 3 or 4 should do the trick! but remember you have to be able to feed this puppy too! so their stage 4 or 5 fuel system would probably be your best bet!:tup: Good Luck

I wouldn't totally agree on that, as the intake manifold (plenum) does not have any sort of separation and basically boost coming from both throttle bodies mixes in there

Equinox 10-06-2009 12:19 PM

how would you have two seperate MAFs and TBs but the intake manifold plenum is not seperate?

G37Sam 10-06-2009 12:39 PM

Yes, but there is no seperation in the plenum in order to equalize air flow entering both banks in order not to hurt the engine

LiquidZ 10-06-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Equinox (Post 224298)
how would you have two seperate MAFs and TBs but the intake manifold plenum is not seperate?

If I understand what you are asking, I think the reason is quite simple. Air is coming from two different locations through two ITB's and into a common plenum. In order for the ECU to know precisely how much air is flowing into the plenum and into the combustion chambers, the airflow needs to be measured through the two points of entry via two MAF sensors.

Equinox 10-06-2009 12:52 PM

then what is the point of twin TBs and MAF's? Wouldn't they just do like a vette motor and just go big single?

LiquidZ 10-06-2009 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Equinox (Post 224328)
then what is the point of twin TBs and MAF's? Wouldn't they just do like a vette motor and just go big single?

Maybe this design allows for a greater plenum volume?

DeadZero 10-06-2009 01:06 PM

Good question huh??? hahah it would have been an interesting project if it were possible. To have the perfect power-band..making power all over the place. thank you for the responses guys. I am doing this research the right way to do this project right way the first time.

-Chris

G37Sam 10-06-2009 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Equinox (Post 224328)
then what is the point of twin TBs and MAF's? Wouldn't they just do like a vette motor and just go big single?

Would you rather have one big single turbo or two small twins? ;)

I'm guessing twin TBs and MAFs allow for better air flow and response

GingaBreadMan 10-06-2009 09:32 PM

At what rpm do the turbos kick in? And would I be able to program them to kick in at rpm's that I desire? For example one at 2k rpm and the other at 4k rpm. I'm looking for power thru the entire power band.
Pardon me if the questions are dumb.

TARDCORE 10-06-2009 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GingaBreadMan (Post 224864)
At what rpm do the turbos kick in? And would I be able to program them to kick in at rpm's that I desire? For example one at 2k rpm and the other at 4k rpm. I'm looking for power thru the entire power band.
Pardon me if the questions are dumb.

you wouldnt want that. You would want them to kick in ASAP and achieve full boost asap. You ever hear people complain/make excuses (lol) about turbo lag? thats why.

zman1910 10-06-2009 10:03 PM

Lag is a problem of the past......the newest turbochargers are ridiculously efficient, especially with the VQ engine. I would expect to be at full boost under 3500rpm's

TARDCORE 10-06-2009 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zman1910 (Post 224906)
Lag is a problem of the past......the newest turbochargers are ridiculously efficient, especially with the VQ engine. I would expect to be at full boost under 3500rpm's

lol doesnt mean people still dont make it an excuse.

DeadZero 10-07-2009 12:58 AM

what i'm really curious about is whats the limit on these motors. I'd like a safe 400 low boost setting and possible a mid 500hp high boost setting. Safely on a stock block.


Has it been discussed about lowering the compressions on these motors to 9:1???


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