FI vs NA

BlackCherryZ · 01-12-2010, 11:53 PM

i bought a 2010 Z with high hopes of getting a TT kit, but i recently got an estimate for one.....$15,000 installed and dyno-tuned......

i have read from a 350z forum that the same tuner offered $10K for a TT kit installed on 350z, but now they are charging $15,000 for 370z.....

perhaps i should have bought a 350z....

or even s2000: a couple of years ago, inlinepro in VA offered $8000 for their stage 2 turbo kit installed and dyno-tuned....... but i had to sell my s2k.....

i figure $33K for my car plus $15K+ = about the price of 2008 BMW M3!!!!!!

so i am still debating...........

i have owned many sports cars, but nothing with a massive rwhp in the range of 450+.

so i would like some feedbacks....

I will be using my car as a daily driver, but at the same time i would like to enjoy "the power."

I will not be racing, but i would like to put "peddle to the metal" when the light turns green...... and not be intimidated by other sport cars *^^*

should i stretch my budget and get a TT or would NA bolt-ons suffice?

afterall, there is a limit to my budget and no power is ever enough for anyone *^^*

i had in mind $10 for the TT installed and dyno-tuned, but if not a TT kit, then i am thinking about spending $5k on stereo upgrades and $5k on bolt-ons....

I guess this would be a topic for a separate forum, but what would be the most cost effective add-ons per rwhp?

I was thinking about CAI, HFC, grounding kit, short throw shifter, cat back exhaust, plenum spacers, oil cooler, under drive pulleys, headers, light weight flywheel with performance clutch, and ECU reflash/COBB tuning.

can someone rate these add-ons per rwhp?

supposedly they all increase power and performance per the sellers...........but i would be more interested in feedbacks from those who have actually installed them on their 370z....

Also, which ones are practical and most cost-effective.....

it seems like if i were to install all of the aforementioned add-ons, it would be possible to get about 350-370 rwhp - but how likely is this? i guess it all depends on tuning.........

I am trying to get the most "bang/rwhp for the buck."

thanks for reading and your feedbacks...

Buddy Revell · 01-13-2010, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCherryZ

I am trying to get the most "bang/rwhp for the buck."

thanks for reading and your feedbacks...

Mustang with a SC kit, perhaps?

ZYUL8R · 01-13-2010, 12:27 AM

You might be a canidate for the supercharger addition....though while my main preferance is to stay NA....ill let others chime in on thier opinion on the subject.

I do know that TT kits may get really expensive even after the install.

G37Sam · 01-13-2010, 12:31 AM

If power is what you're looking for then bolt-ons are a waste of money. 40-50whp all made in the high rev's is not worth it.

$15k for installation, tune & some supporting mods sounds spot on, and you still will need to leave some money on the side for the "oh sh!t" factor which is very likely to happen when you TT an N/A car.

Are there easier routes for a faster car? Yes! Are they as sexy? Hell No!

IMO, if you got the money for it, 370Z TT > BMW M3 any day of the year

tbonesteak · 01-13-2010, 01:32 AM

yeah, comparing 370tt to m3 is not an apples to apples comparison. I can't believe you'd take the m over the ttZ. That is just bananas.

Brazilbro · 01-13-2010, 02:13 AM

I also bought mine with plans to TT . I didnt think it was going to cost so much.. Im starting to have second thoughts especially when there are 2002 911 turbos going for
38k .. theres a company working on a single turbo kit.. which I hope will reduce cost of FI by a few grand. That seems hopefull.. Im not much for a SC guy.. but if i can get 450whp for 6k.. ill think about it.

Marco_xyz · 01-13-2010, 03:01 AM

Get a MKIV Supra tt.. and with 30k, you can get it up to 1000hp

Crash · 01-13-2010, 03:18 AM

If you want massive power but don't want to pay that much, you can go nitrous. Then it's all on you when you actually want to use that power.

Turbos are really nice, not as great as some may say, but they're worth their salt. A lot of people go head-over-heels for a turbo setup, but in my honest opinion they're only good for the 1/4 mile. Turbos aren't very predicable and when they kick, they kick extremely hard. It takes a lot of time to learn a turbo to the point that you can control it's boost through the gas peddle.

Superchargers are easier to control, but have less power-making potential for extremely high power output situations. Although, you can easily achieve the power you want with pretty much any blower. For example, a centrifugal blower can easily put a 3.7L engine over 500RWHP. I don't know how they'd do it on the VQ37, but it's just a 'for instance'.

I'm picking up a Z06 Corvette that makes 700HP at the crank (570+RWHP) on a 8 PSI blower for $32K. The motor is fully built and the car is reliable while driving just like it did out of the showroom. If you REALLY want bang-for-your-buck, TTing a new car is anything but that.

However, a TT Z34 is simply bad @ss and I'm sure you'd be happy spending the extra 5K. Save or take out a loan. I'd do it if I were you.

armensti · 01-13-2010, 03:35 AM

get the car and supercharge it. if you never had a car with more then 450rwhp how do you expect to be able to handle a tt'ed 370z pushing more then 500rwhp? You need to think about that first before you go and buy something else. My advice would be to buy the car first and get use to it because a stock 370z is still pretty fast and after some time get a super charger and you would be done and im sure you would be pretty happy.

LiquidZ · 01-13-2010, 07:56 AM

I would suggest supercharging as a happy medium between TT and N/A.

You can still make more than enough power with a supercharger.

FuszNissan · 01-13-2010, 08:39 AM

This is a brand new car. Give it time and the prices will go down. This car is RED HOT on the aftermarket scene. A 350 is a 8 year old model. (Came out in 2002, MY2003). I am sure if you wait the prices will come down. Also, there are only 3-4 companies making TT kits and 2 that are ready for retail now.

Bolt ons will not give you the power you desire and you could end up spend 7K and only gain 40-50whp. I would suggest waiting for the market to cool off, or go SC as someone mentioned above.

JoeyD · 01-13-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan

This is a brand new car. Give it time and the prices will go down. This car is RED HOT on the aftermarket scene. A 350 is a 8 year old model. (Came out in 2002, MY2003). I am sure if you wait the prices will come down. Also, there are only 3-4 companies making TT kits and 2 that are ready for retail now.

Bolt ons will not give you the power you desire and you could end up spend 7K and only gain 40-50whp. I would suggest waiting for the market to cool off, or go SC as someone mentioned above.

Spot on. Wait until Greddy releases their TT kit. My guess it'll be in the 10K range; however, you're probably still looking at a tune and install.

After owning a turbo IS300 I would say the BEST way to do NA to TT is to, at least, have a hand in the install. That way WHEN something lets go you'll have a good idea of what and why. You also should check out "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell; it explains all the basics and will teach the jargon.

I'm holding off on FI for a while (probably until I'm on the backside of these car payments) for lots of reasons.

1) Nobody has blown a motor or trans yet (i'll wait until at least 5 have been destroyed so I know the safety limits)
2) The people buying TT kits right now probably bought the car cash so i'll let those guys eat up the R&D cost
3) Until the market has reached the point of more kits available than wanted stuff will be expensive
4) As more is learned newer and better kits will become available, and people will switch setups. Which means CHEAP used stuff in the marketplace.

antman22 · 01-13-2010, 11:07 AM

wow, didn't know the TT and SC set ups were so $$, but its true, new car so premium pricing right now.

I think I'm going to add a few hamsters to my car in the meantime...that's good for a decent boost.

bullitt5897 · 01-13-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeyD

Spot on. Wait until Greddy releases their TT kit. My guess it'll be in the 10K range; however, you're probably still looking at a tune and install.

After owning a turbo IS300 I would say the BEST way to do NA to TT is to, at least, have a hand in the install. That way WHEN something lets go you'll have a good idea of what and why. You also should check out "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell; it explains all the basics and will teach the jargon.

I'm holding off on FI for a while (probably until I'm on the backside of these car payments) for lots of reasons.

1) Nobody has blown a motor or trans yet (i'll wait until at least 5 have been destroyed so I know the safety limits)
2) The people buying TT kits right now probably bought the car cash so i'll let those guys eat up the R&D cost
3) Until the market has reached the point of more kits available than wanted stuff will be expensive
4) As more is learned newer and better kits will become available, and people will switch setups. Which means CHEAP used stuff in the marketplace.

This is a decent way to approach the market. However, Many of us that have purchased our TT kits are keeping them relatively safe until we build the motors. For myself I bought everything needed capable of supporting 1000rwhp as that is my end goal and I dont want to keep switch products every time I want to up the boost some more. Did I buy my car cash... no wish I had lol but i used Cash I had on hand for my TT build. I still make payments on my car lol.

Anyways, the only way prices are going to go down is if buyers begin to buy products and saturate the market with sold products then demand will drop and supply will be high... the kits will then come down in price to gain what is left of the market.

As far as newer better kits coming out... I highly doubt the newer kits will be better than what is out there. My kit is capable of over 900rwhp and I plan on taking it there. I am also planning on a full stroker build this year too! I am keeping this car unlike my previous cars... forever! I will not part out my kit and I believe the current TT owners will not either. With the amount of money we have spent we would loose our @sses off if we sell these kits used! We would rather sell the car as a package than the kit on its own.

I hope for many more TTz's but until then I will be happy to be one of the only kids on the block with one!

Sharif@Forged · 01-13-2010, 11:46 AM

I imagine the $15K price includes some extras such as clutch/flywheel, possibly an exhaust. Kit's like the GTM kit have far more parts and complexity than the Greddy kit for the 350Z, so I would expect to pay more for installation as well.

A bare bones, stock boost GTM TT kit, out of the box, with internals gates and no extras at all, can be purchased and installed for about $11,500. It's all the extras that add up. Large downpipes, externals gates, boost controller, clutch, exhaust, gauges and so on. Prices on the 350Z have remained fairly stable since 2004, so I wouldn't expect much of a drop.

01-12-2010, 11:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
BlackCherryZ Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 183 Drives: 2010 BC-Z M6 Rep Power: 15	FI vs NA i bought a 2010 Z with high hopes of getting a TT kit, but i recently got an estimate for one.....$15,000 installed and dyno-tuned...... i have read from a 350z forum that the same tuner offered $10K for a TT kit installed on 350z, but now they are charging $15,000 for 370z..... perhaps i should have bought a 350z.... or even s2000: a couple of years ago, inlinepro in VA offered $8000 for their stage 2 turbo kit installed and dyno-tuned....... but i had to sell my s2k..... i figure $33K for my car plus $15K+ = about the price of 2008 BMW M3!!!!!! so i am still debating........... i have owned many sports cars, but nothing with a massive rwhp in the range of 450+. so i would like some feedbacks.... I will be using my car as a daily driver, but at the same time i would like to enjoy "the power." I will not be racing, but i would like to put "peddle to the metal" when the light turns green...... and not be intimidated by other sport cars ^^ should i stretch my budget and get a TT or would NA bolt-ons suffice? afterall, there is a limit to my budget and no power is ever enough for anyone ^^ i had in mind $10 for the TT installed and dyno-tuned, but if not a TT kit, then i am thinking about spending $5k on stereo upgrades and $5k on bolt-ons.... I guess this would be a topic for a separate forum, but what would be the most cost effective add-ons per rwhp? I was thinking about CAI, HFC, grounding kit, short throw shifter, cat back exhaust, plenum spacers, oil cooler, under drive pulleys, headers, light weight flywheel with performance clutch, and ECU reflash/COBB tuning. can someone rate these add-ons per rwhp? supposedly they all increase power and performance per the sellers...........but i would be more interested in feedbacks from those who have actually installed them on their 370z.... Also, which ones are practical and most cost-effective..... it seems like if i were to install all of the aforementioned add-ons, it would be possible to get about 350-370 rwhp - but how likely is this? i guess it all depends on tuning......... I am trying to get the most "bang/rwhp for the buck." thanks for reading and your feedbacks...

01-13-2010, 12:27 AM	#3 (permalink)
ZYUL8R Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Corpus Christi, tx Posts: 140 Drives: 09 370z T/S, 03 S2K Rep Power: 16	You might be a canidate for the supercharger addition....though while my main preferance is to stay NA....ill let others chime in on thier opinion on the subject. I do know that TT kits may get really expensive even after the install. __________________ Old enough to know, but too young to care.

01-13-2010, 12:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
G37Sam A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dubai, UAE Posts: 1,507 Drives: RB'd G37 Rep Power: 20	If power is what you're looking for then bolt-ons are a waste of money. 40-50whp all made in the high rev's is not worth it. $15k for installation, tune & some supporting mods sounds spot on, and you still will need to leave some money on the side for the "oh sh!t" factor which is very likely to happen when you TT an N/A car. Are there easier routes for a faster car? Yes! Are they as sexy? Hell No! IMO, if you got the money for it, 370Z TT > BMW M3 any day of the year __________________ '14 Viper GTS '08 RB'd G37S - Sold

01-13-2010, 02:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
Brazilbro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,131 Drives: Juke/240Z Rep Power: 848	I also bought mine with plans to TT . I didnt think it was going to cost so much.. Im starting to have second thoughts especially when there are 2002 911 turbos going for 38k .. theres a company working on a single turbo kit.. which I hope will reduce cost of FI by a few grand. That seems hopefull.. Im not much for a SC guy.. but if i can get 450whp for 6k.. ill think about it. __________________ Juke AWD/240Z SR20 08 Evo 10(Stage 2) SOLD Fastest Sport 6spd 370Z 11.8 @126.5SOLD

01-13-2010, 03:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
Crash A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,853 Drives: 02 Corvette Z06 Rep Power: 589	If you want massive power but don't want to pay that much, you can go nitrous. Then it's all on you when you actually want to use that power. Turbos are really nice, not as great as some may say, but they're worth their salt. A lot of people go head-over-heels for a turbo setup, but in my honest opinion they're only good for the 1/4 mile. Turbos aren't very predicable and when they kick, they kick extremely hard. It takes a lot of time to learn a turbo to the point that you can control it's boost through the gas peddle. Superchargers are easier to control, but have less power-making potential for extremely high power output situations. Although, you can easily achieve the power you want with pretty much any blower. For example, a centrifugal blower can easily put a 3.7L engine over 500RWHP. I don't know how they'd do it on the VQ37, but it's just a 'for instance'. I'm picking up a Z06 Corvette that makes 700HP at the crank (570+RWHP) on a 8 PSI blower for $32K. The motor is fully built and the car is reliable while driving just like it did out of the showroom. If you REALLY want bang-for-your-buck, TTing a new car is anything but that. However, a TT Z34 is simply bad @ss and I'm sure you'd be happy spending the extra 5K. Save or take out a loan. I'd do it if I were you. __________________ 2002 Corvette Z06 - Totaled 2003 Corvette Z06 50th Anniversary

01-13-2010, 01:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
tbonesteak Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 914 Drives: MY09 MB 6MT Rep Power: 375	yeah, comparing 370tt to m3 is not an apples to apples comparison. I can't believe you'd take the m over the ttZ. That is just bananas.

01-13-2010, 03:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
Marco_xyz Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 710 Drives: 370z / '95 Supra Rep Power: 17	Get a MKIV Supra tt.. and with 30k, you can get it up to 1000hp

01-13-2010, 03:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
armensti Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: CA Posts: 447 Drives: 370Z/Tring/Spt/6MT Rep Power: 16	get the car and supercharge it. if you never had a car with more then 450rwhp how do you expect to be able to handle a tt'ed 370z pushing more then 500rwhp? You need to think about that first before you go and buy something else. My advice would be to buy the car first and get use to it because a stock 370z is still pretty fast and after some time get a super charger and you would be done and im sure you would be pretty happy. __________________ Shutting down competition one car at a time

01-13-2010, 07:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 705	I would suggest supercharging as a happy medium between TT and N/A. You can still make more than enough power with a supercharger. __________________ Last edited by LiquidZ; 01-13-2010 at 08:16 AM.

01-13-2010, 08:39 AM	#11 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	This is a brand new car. Give it time and the prices will go down. This car is RED HOT on the aftermarket scene. A 350 is a 8 year old model. (Came out in 2002, MY2003). I am sure if you wait the prices will come down. Also, there are only 3-4 companies making TT kits and 2 that are ready for retail now. Bolt ons will not give you the power you desire and you could end up spend 7K and only gain 40-50whp. I would suggest waiting for the market to cool off, or go SC as someone mentioned above. __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

01-13-2010, 11:07 AM	#13 (permalink)
antman22 Track Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 597 Drives: 09 PG 370z 7AT Rep Power: 16	wow, didn't know the TT and SC set ups were so $$, but its true, new car so premium pricing right now. I think I'm going to add a few hamsters to my car in the meantime...that's good for a decent boost.

01-13-2010, 11:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
Sharif@Forged The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 840 Drives: 2009 GT-R, 2010 370Z Rep Power: 17	I imagine the $15K price includes some extras such as clutch/flywheel, possibly an exhaust. Kit's like the GTM kit have far more parts and complexity than the Greddy kit for the 350Z, so I would expect to pay more for installation as well. A bare bones, stock boost GTM TT kit, out of the box, with internals gates and no extras at all, can be purchased and installed for about $11,500. It's all the extras that add up. Large downpipes, externals gates, boost controller, clutch, exhaust, gauges and so on. Prices on the 350Z have remained fairly stable since 2004, so I wouldn't expect much of a drop. __________________ Sharif@Forgedperformance.com General Manager/Certified Tuner/NASA-PCA-BMWCAA Instructor JRZ RS1's Available NOW...PM me Cobb ProTuner, Uprev ECU Flash, FCON Vpro, Haltech, Motec Certified