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Boosted Performance 02-12-2019 12:26 AM

BP custom manifold for Z1 CMC kit
 
Had a customer purchase the BP twin scroll turbo kit, but I had no idea he had already purchased and installed the Z1 CMC eliminator kit. So, he shoots me a text and tells me the manifold does not fit (I ha no idea that he was trying to work with the CMC kit on the car), so I asked for pictures.

Long story short, I had him send the original manifold back, as well as the clutch kit protection plate, which of course is the larges part, covering key components.

Once I put the aluminium cover on the car, it was clear that there is no point in trying to modify the original manifold, since it was a perfect fit....so I started from scratch. Turned out very well:


https://i137.photobucket.com/albums/...pshfklf2ao.jpg


http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...psnmp6ztjy.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...psgxt1cxpv.jpg


And of course, clearance is on par with the front subframe:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...psb5npkx2x.jpg

Jinxx 02-12-2019 07:56 PM

Was there any revision on the turbo intake to push the air filter to the front

solidus 02-15-2019 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinxx (Post 3824396)
Was there any revision on the turbo intake to push the air filter to the front

I would fly to Canada tomorrow to pick that up. I laid on my back looking at that thing trying to figure out ways to snake it to the front with some kind of bent tube to push through components , then a flat filter design inside the wheel well. I just ended up with a headache and some cramps in my arms.

Jinxx 02-16-2019 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by solidus (Post 3825474)
I would fly to Canada tomorrow to pick that up. I laid on my back looking at that thing trying to figure out ways to snake it to the front with some kind of bent tube to push through components , then a flat filter design inside the wheel well. I just ended up with a headache and some cramps in my arms.

My 2015 nismo had the GTM super charger stage 2 kit ...it had a solid motor mount that would open the area up for clearance ...it would work for the BP kit as well just in reverse ....would need relocation of the oil filter and filter would sit in that location ...I thought I seen Sasha had something similar in the works in another post ....but haven’t heard anything about it..... but yes it sucks having to remove the turbo to replace filter

solidus 02-16-2019 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinxx (Post 3825635)
My 2015 nismo had the GTM super charger stage 2 kit ...it had a solid motor mount that would open the area up for clearance ...it would work for the BP kit as well just in reverse ....would need relocation of the oil filter and filter would sit in that location ...I thought I seen Sasha had something similar in the works in another post ....but haven’t heard anything about it..... but yes it sucks having to remove the turbo to replace filter

It sucks to remove it for anything. I've done it twice in the past 3 weeks. Damned gasket leaks. Fixed now though thanks to Fast Intentions.

Jinxx 02-16-2019 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by solidus (Post 3825675)
It sucks to remove it for anything. I've done it twice in the past 3 weeks. Damned gasket leaks. Fixed now though thanks to Fast Intentions.

I had same issues header gasket blew out ...replace with metal ones while removing turbo ..the coolant lines were brittle had to replace them ...then wideband o2 sensor went out lol ......all good now tho ....till I need to clean/change air filter

Boosted Performance 02-16-2019 11:24 PM

I hear you. I am working on some improvements with the intake. It will require aftermarket engine mounts, and the relocation of the oil filter...so additional cost.

I am hoping to move the filter up, so it sits on the passenger side, just above the sway bar. Something like this:

https://i137.photobucket.com/albums/...pscuaz2xqs.jpg

https://i137.photobucket.com/albums/...psfixqx8fd.jpg




That's with a 3.5" intake pipe, which I think is a bit too tight of a fit. The final version will be 3", but for the most part a straight shot...couple of 15* bends.


As you guys already know, there is only so much room on these cars, and adding a turbo kit is a challenge at best. With other kits, you have to remove the windshield washer reservoir, and pull the bumper off for air filter servicing. Each manufacturer has the same challenges.

Elmo370z 02-17-2019 09:31 AM

Would cjm solid motor mounts work

Boosted Performance 02-17-2019 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3825805)
Would cjm solid motor mounts work

Yes, those look to be the slimmest. Probably best clearance.

Jinxx 02-17-2019 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3825807)
Yes, those look to be the slimmest. Probably best clearance.

The one from GTM was a L - shaped foot mount ...which moved the center location over closer to the motor made a ton of clearance ...isn’t the CJM one just a slimmer straight shot like the factory one

Boosted Performance 02-17-2019 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinxx (Post 3825817)
The one from GTM was a L - shaped foot mount ...which moved the center location over closer to the motor made a ton of clearance ...isn’t the CJM one just a slimmer straight shot like the factory one

I had considered a custom type engine mount, but then the header on that side needs to be pulled off for the install, which adds to the install complexity, and maybe takes away a bit from the whole "DIY friendly" kit.

Jinxx 02-17-2019 03:48 PM

[QUOTE=Boosted Performance;3825857]I had considered a custom type engine mount, but then the header on that side needs to be pulled off for the install, which adds to the install complexity, and maybe takes away a bit from the whole "DIY friendly" kit.[/QUOTE

I did remove the header when installing this mount .....But it wasn’t very difficult and compared to dropping the turbo every time you service the filter I would much rather pull the header one time to switch mounts ....I have been looking for another mount like this to pipe it through but haven’t had much luck finding one

Boosted Performance 02-17-2019 04:43 PM

[QUOTE=Jinxx;3825886]
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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3825857)
I had considered a custom type engine mount, but then the header on that side needs to be pulled off for the install, which adds to the install complexity, and maybe takes away a bit from the whole "DIY friendly" kit.[/QUOTE

I did remove the header when installing this mount .....But it wasn’t very difficult and compared to dropping the turbo every time you service the filter I would much rather pull the header one time to switch mounts ....I have been looking for another mount like this to pipe it through but haven’t had much luck finding one

I'll have another looks and see what can be done.

Elmo370z 02-18-2019 09:27 AM

Ooo interesting

jax4557 02-18-2019 01:31 PM

In for motor mount that allows forward air filter placement!

Boosted Performance 02-18-2019 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jax4557 (Post 3826145)
In for motor mount that allows forward air filter placement!

Yeah, I'll do my best to figure something out.

The challenge is the sway bar, and the alternator. They take up a lot of valuable space in that area. So if I push the filter forward, I am not sure how much room I'll end up with. May need a custom filter (and I have made some inquiries about that as well).

The one thing that could potentially be gained from a different engine mount is that the oil filter could maybe stay in the OEM location. It would have to be pulled off for air filter servicing, but that isn't a big deal since it is replaced frequently enough.

Jinxx 02-18-2019 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3826185)
Yeah, I'll do my best to figure something out.

The challenge is the sway bar, and the alternator. They take up a lot of valuable space in that area. So if I push the filter forward, I am not sure how much room I'll end up with. May need a custom filter (and I have made some inquiries about that as well).

The one thing that could potentially be gained from a different engine mount is that the oil filter could maybe stay in the OEM location. It would have to be pulled off for air filter servicing, but that isn't a big deal since it is replaced frequently enough.

I was thinking that the pipe could be ran just past the sway bar with a 90 bend and the filter would sit basically along side of the sway bar ....to change it would only require taking out the 4 bolts to the sway bar letting it drop down ,this would give access to change...also allowing the oil filter to stay in OEM location

Boosted Performance 02-18-2019 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jinxx (Post 3826195)
I was thinking that the pipe could be ran just past the sway bar with a 90 bend and the filter would sit basically along side of the sway bar ....to change it would only require taking out the 4 bolts to the sway bar letting it drop down ,this would give access to change...also allowing the oil filter to stay in OEM location

Tried it already :)

https://i137.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9i0ggofb.jpg


That's a full 3.5" intake, but I don't like the 90 degree there. There isn't as much room there as one may think...which was disappointing.

Jinxx 02-18-2019 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3826251)
Tried it already :)

https://i137.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9i0ggofb.jpg


That's a full 3.5" intake, but I don't like the 90 degree there. There isn't as much room there as one may think...which was disappointing.

LOL well then ....shot my boat full of holes......oh well turbo guard then LOL

Boosted Performance 02-18-2019 11:05 PM

I think a long (maybe up to 8"), 3.5" flange air filter that is about 5" outside diameter may work above the sway bar, with a different engine mount...which is what I am focusing on now.

Jinxx 02-19-2019 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3826319)
I think a long (maybe up to 8"), 3.5" flange air filter that is about 5" outside diameter may work above the sway bar, with a different engine mount...which is what I am focusing on now.

Maybe have a 45 degree pipe bend and a filter with a 45 degree inlet ...use some of the room that your 90 degree elbow took up

Elmo370z 02-19-2019 04:07 PM

Why have a bend? Couldn’t you just shorten the pipe and have it straight and not use such a long and wide filter?

Jinxx 02-19-2019 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3826570)
Why have a bend? Couldn’t you just shorten the pipe and have it straight and not use such a long and wide filter?

Keeping it straight wouldn’t put it in a area that any filter could fit ....only real chance would be maybe longer filter ....green filter makes some longer ones that have a small OD filter so it would be like 4 inch OD and however long you could get...but it’s still a super tight fit ..if it’s even possible

Boosted Performance 02-19-2019 05:28 PM

With the 90 degree elbow (maybe two 45's), I'll be able to fit this filter:

https://www.knfilters.ca/search/prod...x?prod=RU-1785

That filter, when rolled out, is 15.7" x 8", so plenty big. At the same time, a 3.5" pipe, even with a 90 in it would not be considered as a restriction, considering the 68mm 1,100HP turbo only has a 2.7" compressor wheel inlet.

With a custom engine mount, there would not be a need to relocate the oil filter, so that may work out in the end. I'll build one for my own car for testing purposes. If all works well, it will be an option for customers at additional cost. The 3.5" piping with a custom engine mount isn't going to be cheap.

I also looked at removing the OEM engine mount bolted to the engine, passenger side. It looks like the exhaust manifold has to be pulled off for the aftermarket engine mount replacement. Luckly, that is the much easier one to pull off, compared to the driver side.

Elmo370z 02-19-2019 05:38 PM

I’m buying Cjm solid engine mounts, will your design be similar to his so the piping will fit towards the front?

Boosted Performance 02-19-2019 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3826599)
I’m buying Cjm solid engine mounts, will your design be similar to his so the piping will fit towards the front?

I would need to make a complete custom engine mount, tucked closer to the engine for it all to work.

Elmo370z 02-19-2019 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3826602)
I would need to make a complete custom engine mount, tucked closer to the engine for it all to work.

Mmmmmm will these mounts be solid of poly? Well I’m in for the cause.

Boosted Performance 02-19-2019 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3826615)
Mmmmmm will these mounts be solid of poly? Well I’m in for the cause.

Poly, so almost solid.

jchammond 02-19-2019 08:30 PM

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I know things are tight in that area; a couple pics of the setup on a fire truck w/450hp/1250tq 9L Cummins....looks like a shark tail plumbed to the front.
1.5-2” wide maximum; but tall & inlet is to the inside portion w/screen over top...plenty of air :ugh2:

jchammond 02-19-2019 08:34 PM

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Last picture is of screen over inlet,after passing through to front...pics are all sideways & crap- but gives you an idea.

Elmo370z 02-19-2019 09:19 PM

What about inside the fender well?

Elmo370z 02-28-2019 07:33 PM

Sub’d

Jinxx 03-01-2019 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3826723)
What about inside the fender well?

No real way to route it to the fender well

Boosted Performance 03-01-2019 09:16 AM

I have a good update, some parts came in yesterday, and things are looking promising.

Elmo370z 03-03-2019 08:28 AM

Interested

Elmo370z 03-13-2019 02:24 PM

Bump

Boosted Performance 03-13-2019 10:58 PM

Managed to build a completely new engine mount, and it created the clearance necessary for the 3.5" intake. I need to work on the piping still, but it is looking promising.

https://i137.photobucket.com/albums/...psr0bgc5nd.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...pshiop4qh1.jpg




3.5" intake pipe


http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...psl4fbzoiu.jpg

ZontheRocks 03-14-2019 08:15 AM

Keep up the innovation!

Elmo370z 03-14-2019 09:39 AM

I like

Martijn_b 03-14-2019 10:32 AM

Sweet!!

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