Fast Intentions Stage 2 TT build by MA-Motorsports.

JARblue · 01-10-2020, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

You creating me a GoFundME account for everyone to donate money to because I have saved them an exponential amount of cash. If I get
enough money in there I will continue to share everything. The new motor is expensive. Say, 10k in dontations. This will cover part of it.

I've already got one set up. Tigger donated $5 to the cause several years ago

Spooler · 01-10-2020, 12:45 PM

I will set one up (Gofundme) and keep the development going if you guys would like me too. The more that get's donated the more I can do.

JARblue · 01-10-2020, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by spooler

i will set one up (gofundme) and keep the development going if you guys would like me too. The more that get's donated the more i can do share.

ftfy

Spooler · 01-10-2020, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

ftfy

What da heck does that mean..... LOL

JARblue · 01-10-2020, 01:16 PM

Fixed That For You

Spooler · 01-10-2020, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Fixed That For You

LOL, damn young whipper snappers...

BettyZ · 01-10-2020, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

After reading all the tags, I don't blame you

All you gotta do is type in "jar" and there's really quite a large selection to choose from

sirnixalot · 01-10-2020, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

You creating me a GoFundME account for everyone to donate money to because I have saved them an exponential amount of cash. If I get
enough money in there I will continue to share everything. The new motor is expensive. Say, 10k in dontations. This will cover part of it.

Kidding aside, when it does work out would your builder/machinist be able to provide the "Spooler 1000" short/long block service?

Spooler · 01-10-2020, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sirnixalot

Kidding aside, when it does work out would your builder/machinist be able to provide the "Spooler 1000" short/long block service?

Yes, we have already talked about it. I get no money though. LOL

Alright, when the time comes you will be able to call or email in and ask for a Spooler 1000 build.

Rusty · 01-10-2020, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Fixed That For You

fifty Fixed it for you, also.

Spooler · 01-10-2020, 10:06 PM

Well guys, I have 2 options I have been kicking around. There are drawbacks to both. I would be a fool not to consider all options. I am down to 2 options. One, you don't know about. So, here they are.

1.) Let Mazworx build my spare motor with Darton sleeves. He wants a virgin longblock to machine off of, which I have. The unknown is I only know of One person who had these in a 370z and that is Bullit (Mike). He had overheating issues with his car. I am not sure of the cause. So I will dive into uncharted territory if I go this route.

2.) Nick and George at SOHO have 2 cars up and running on their fix. I can't say what is in the motors. That is why I haven't mentioned them. All I can say is they made it past the dreaded 24psi failure point on the dyno and have been driven for a couple hundred miles. The only draw back is, I would like more miles on the cars. I would be a fool not to consider something that is working. Nick and George have always been straight up with me. They are good people.

I am still pondering which is the best way to go. I have plenty of time. If I go either way I will get a good result. This is a very tough decision.

Bman427 · 01-12-2020, 09:33 AM

Sleeves = 4K boat achor

Even if they are installed correctly they are going to move. Mine went out of round after 50 passes and 1500 street miles. Different motor (LS1) but still an aluminum block.

I cut a cylinder head in half to see how much material was between the water jackets and the ports. There is only about .080 of material that can be removed without weaken the integrity of the head. Not much material above each combustion chamber, definitely the weakest spot. Can only imagine what it looks like at 25psi.

Should have my block back in 6 weeks. I'm having additional supports machined in above each combustion chamber. I'll post some pics when I pick it up.

That's my contribution to the R+D instead of GoFundMe donations...lol

Spooler · 01-12-2020, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bman427

Sleeves = 4K boat achor

Even if they are installed correctly they are going to move. Mine went out of round after 50 passes and 1500 street miles. Different motor (LS1) but still an aluminum block.

I cut a cylinder head in half to see how much material was between the water jackets and the ports. There is only about .080 of material that can be removed without weaken the integrity of the head. Not much material above each combustion chamber, definitely the weakest spot. Can only imagine what it looks like at 25psi.

Should have my block back in 6 weeks. I'm having additional supports machined in above each combustion chamber. I'll post some pics when I pick it up.

That's my contribution to the R+D instead of GoFundMe donations...lol

That is a different motor that you had trouble with and how was the block machined and with what. What sleeves were used? Was the block open deck? What was used to do the machine work for the sleeves? Not really relevant with what we are doing here. Please bring that data. No data, just means nothing. As far as the GOFUNDME, that was a joke.

Bman427 · 01-12-2020, 02:17 PM

easy... I was also joking about the GoFundMe

They were Darton MID wet sleeves that were installed in a stock 346ci open deck LS1. Yes different platform but a cast aluminum open deck block that looks very similar to VHR deck. If the VHR block can't support the closed deck modification how can it support a sleeve? Regardless it is a 4K crap shoot on any platform.

Do what you want, somebody is bound to try it. I hope you build something to hold 35psi, lol. I've seen plenty of other disasters on other platforms as well. Even if the sleeves are installed perfect and the block supported them, which is a big if, I'll bet the heads still lift. After seeing a head casting cut in half, I'm betting it is more of a cylinder head issue vs. a block issue.

Bman427 · 01-12-2020, 02:27 PM

To clarify the head I cut in half was a VHR head, not LS1. I'm building a turbo G37 so I'm here trying to learn and give advise from what I have researched. So I'm doing the same thing as what you are doing here. Except I'm going to try and do it with a 7at, so I have to figure that problem out too...ugh, lol

01-10-2020, 12:45 PM	#2087 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,800 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	I will set one up (Gofundme) and keep the development going if you guys would like me too. The more that get's donated the more I can do. JARblue and Hotrodz like this.

01-10-2020, 01:16 PM	#2090 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	Fixed That For You Hotrodz and Spooler like this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

01-10-2020, 10:06 PM	#2096 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,800 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	Well guys, I have 2 options I have been kicking around. There are drawbacks to both. I would be a fool not to consider all options. I am down to 2 options. One, you don't know about. So, here they are. 1.) Let Mazworx build my spare motor with Darton sleeves. He wants a virgin longblock to machine off of, which I have. The unknown is I only know of One person who had these in a 370z and that is Bullit (Mike). He had overheating issues with his car. I am not sure of the cause. So I will dive into uncharted territory if I go this route. 2.) Nick and George at SOHO have 2 cars up and running on their fix. I can't say what is in the motors. That is why I haven't mentioned them. All I can say is they made it past the dreaded 24psi failure point on the dyno and have been driven for a couple hundred miles. The only draw back is, I would like more miles on the cars. I would be a fool not to consider something that is working. Nick and George have always been straight up with me. They are good people. I am still pondering which is the best way to go. I have plenty of time. If I go either way I will get a good result. This is a very tough decision. Mr.Squeeze, JARblue, cv129 and 7 others like this. Last edited by Spooler; 01-10-2020 at 11:57 PM.

01-12-2020, 09:33 AM	#2097 (permalink)
Bman427 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 25 Drives: 09 G37X Rep Power: 6	Sleeves = 4K boat achor Even if they are installed correctly they are going to move. Mine went out of round after 50 passes and 1500 street miles. Different motor (LS1) but still an aluminum block. I cut a cylinder head in half to see how much material was between the water jackets and the ports. There is only about .080 of material that can be removed without weaken the integrity of the head. Not much material above each combustion chamber, definitely the weakest spot. Can only imagine what it looks like at 25psi. Should have my block back in 6 weeks. I'm having additional supports machined in above each combustion chamber. I'll post some pics when I pick it up. That's my contribution to the R+D instead of GoFundMe donations...lol Hotrodz and Ghostvette like this.

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01-12-2020, 02:17 PM	#2099 (permalink)
Bman427 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 25 Drives: 09 G37X Rep Power: 6	easy... I was also joking about the GoFundMe They were Darton MID wet sleeves that were installed in a stock 346ci open deck LS1. Yes different platform but a cast aluminum open deck block that looks very similar to VHR deck. If the VHR block can't support the closed deck modification how can it support a sleeve? Regardless it is a 4K crap shoot on any platform. Do what you want, somebody is bound to try it. I hope you build something to hold 35psi, lol. I've seen plenty of other disasters on other platforms as well. Even if the sleeves are installed perfect and the block supported them, which is a big if, I'll bet the heads still lift. After seeing a head casting cut in half, I'm betting it is more of a cylinder head issue vs. a block issue.

01-12-2020, 02:27 PM	#2100 (permalink)
Bman427 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 25 Drives: 09 G37X Rep Power: 6	To clarify the head I cut in half was a VHR head, not LS1. I'm building a turbo G37 so I'm here trying to learn and give advise from what I have researched. So I'm doing the same thing as what you are doing here. Except I'm going to try and do it with a 7at, so I have to figure that problem out too...ugh, lol