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Elmo370z 06-07-2021 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17 (Post 3997723)
I can only imagine:rolleyes:

Where

Spooler 06-07-2021 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3997725)
Where

It's all Bullchit. My thread turned into a chit show.

Spooler 06-07-2021 11:21 AM

This week is the week if all goes to plan. I have no idea how much whp I will make. It may max out at 950whp or 1050whp. I have no idea. It's the not knowing and waiting that will drive you up a wall. Whatever it does, I am good.
At least I don't have to worry about the intaking leaking anymore and I have a much better catch can setup too. Boost by gear, Rolling Anti-lag, custom traction control map, and launch control is going to be awesome. I can't wait.

JARblue 06-07-2021 01:51 PM

What's the over/under at? I'll throw down $50 on it :icon17:

Good luck brother! :driving:

Elmo370z 06-07-2021 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3997757)
What's the over/under at? I'll throw down $50 on it :icon17:

Good luck brother! :driving:

Under 1050

Hotrodz 06-07-2021 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3997758)
Under 1050

I will go plus 1050 for chits and giggles! It will be dependent on where the turbos run out of room or not enough airflow!

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Ghostvette 06-07-2021 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3997757)
What's the over/under at? I'll throw down $50 on it :icon17:

Good luck brother! :driving:

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3997758)
Under 1050

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3997765)
I will go plus 1050 for chits and giggles! It will be dependent on where the turbos run out of room or not enough airflow!

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I'm going with Spooler ain't gonna tell us..... :owned:

Spooler 06-07-2021 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3997765)
I will go plus 1050 for chits and giggles! It will be dependent on where the turbos run out of room or not enough airflow!

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That is the biggest question. I asked Seb and he doesn't know.

Spooler 06-07-2021 03:41 PM

My guess is 1200whp. LMAO!!!

Spooler 06-07-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyZ (Post 3997780)
723. Moncef really struggles with tunes over 700.

You need to take your car to another tuner. Can't believe you use him.

Elmo370z 06-07-2021 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyZ (Post 3997780)
723. Moncef really struggles with tunes over 700.

Why would you have monqueef tune your car?

redondoaveb 06-07-2021 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3997784)
Why would you have monqueef tune your car?

For the pops and bangs. He's getting married. The only popping and banging he'll be doing is in his car :rofl2:

Elmo370z 06-07-2021 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3997786)
For the pops and bangs. He's getting married. The only popping and banging he'll be doing is in his car :rofl2:

He good at doing that.

Spooler 06-07-2021 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3997786)
For the pops and bangs. He's getting married. The only popping and banging he'll be doing is in his car :rofl2:

Yup, the representative is getting ready to leave. The real wife will show up not longer after.

Trips 06-08-2021 01:09 AM

I'm going to ask those engaging in some personal and off topic comments to STOP!

There's no reason for it in a fellow members build thread. (Albeit I'm a little late to the party)

I'm going to ask to take the off topic comments to the non-tech section of the forum.

I would also appreciate it if we can drop the borderline personal/harassment comments.

Thanks Trips

JARblue 06-08-2021 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Trips (Post 3997843)
Thanks Trips

You're welcome :hello:

Spooler 06-08-2021 09:31 AM

I ordered the Tial 1.06 AR exhaust housings yesterday from F.I. If the turbo's fall short I will have them put on. If not, I will hold until a later date. To put them on I would have to drop the motor. You can see on my previous dyno graphs that my HP/TQ falls off on the top end. If I do this it will take some spool up and midrange away and move it to the top end. I am detuning some of that anyway so I don't think it will hurt too bad. Not sure. Will wait and see.

Spooler 06-08-2021 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by madwi (Post 3957586)

Red= 12psi 93octane
Blue= 17psi Ignite Red
Green= 25psi Ignite Red

Bringing this back from the dead again. I am going to take a little TQ away from the midrange to help with traction.

JARblue 06-08-2021 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3997874)
I am going to take a little TQ away from the midrange to help with traction.

Cooltoy is a photoshop wiz if you need help with the graph :twocents:

Spooler 06-08-2021 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3997875)
Cooltoy is a photoshop wiz if you need help with the graph :twocents:

We'll see what can be done on the dyno. It should be this week sometime. The 5130 rpm TQ spike at 25psi of boost is what I want to decrease. It needs to be a slower ramp even at 17psi. When the boost is turned up even more
it will get out of control quick. A spin fest isn't any fun.

Spooler 06-08-2021 09:59 AM

Dang graphs look better than what I remembered. LOL

Spooler 06-08-2021 10:09 AM

The changes.

New HKS sparkplugs
New SOHO cast intake manifold
New SOHO catch can setup
New Z1 coil packs
New 4 port MAC valve

Not many. We'll see what Nick can do.

Spooler 06-08-2021 10:12 AM

The biggest upgrade for me is Boost by gear. I couldn't use 25psi of boost except in the high gears before. Being on a boost controller sucked. ECUTEK boost by gear this time.

Spooler 06-08-2021 10:17 AM

Oh yeah, I messed up. I had MA connect my coolant lines to the throttle bodies on the first engine. I forgot all about it. They have now been removed. IAT's will come down some.

SeeThruHead 06-08-2021 10:28 AM

i'm curious to see if a the 4 port mac valve will provide you with enough resolution/accuracy or if you'll switch to something with more control

Spooler 06-08-2021 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeThruHead (Post 3997881)
i'm curious to see if a the 4 port mac valve will provide you with enough resolution/accuracy or if you'll switch to something with more control

I was on a 3 port before. The 4 port is an upgrade and will decrease duty cycle which will allow me to keep my 12psi wastegate springs.

Spooler 06-08-2021 10:43 AM

If you want to know the rule of thumb behind the wastegate spring it is this.

3 port MAC valve:
12psi boost on wastegate spring = Max boost around 24psi. You double it.
I was at 70% duty cycle on the MAC valve at 25psi before.

4 port MAC valve:
12psi boost on wastegate spring = LOL, I have no idea. Guess we will find out.

Spooler 06-08-2021 10:52 AM

The wastegate springs may limit me. The engine may have to come out to change those. LOL WTH

Spooler 06-09-2021 11:43 AM

Well, as most good tuners are, Nick is backed up. My car is not a normal car so I need to grab my can of patience. I am sure he wants to tune it in piece and quite.

This boost junkie needs his fix.

Mr.Squeeze 06-09-2021 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3998061)
Well, as most good tuners are, Nick is backed up. My car is not a normal car so I need to grab my can of patience. I am sure he wants to tune it in piece and quite.

This boost junkie needs his fix.


In due time the beast will be unleashed :driving:

SeeThruHead 06-09-2021 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3997882)
I was on a 3 port before. The 4 port is an upgrade and will decrease duty cycle which will allow me to keep my 12psi wastegate springs.

Yeah but you will lose granularity in the amount of adjustment you can make to boost pressure afaik. Curious how that will play out with your boost by gear. Subscribed to find out!

Spooler 06-09-2021 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SeeThruHead (Post 3998074)
Yeah but you will lose granularity in the amount of adjustment you can make to boost pressure afaik. Curious how that will play out with your boost by gear. Subscribed to find out!

Did you read??? It is all about traction. I will gladly give to get.

One of the newest popular forms of racing spreading across the nation right now is “no-prep” type racing. In this type of racing it is more about traction management than it is about making monster amounts of power. These racers are often starting out with as little as 8 psi on the starting line, and wanting to finish the race with 40+ pounds, where the power can finally be put down at the end of the race track. A 3 port boost controller will not allow you to run a small wastegate spring and still obtain that level of boost pressure. This is where a 4 port comes into play. Yes the resolution of a 4 port isn’t as good as a 3 port, but having less resulotion isn't as much of a big deal when you have such a large spread from min boost level to max. For many racers the loss of resolution is easily worth the gain in min-max ability of boost . For street driven cars, especially FWD cars, this is a HUGE advantage. These big power street cars, or traction limited FWD cars, can go from being absolutely worthless burn-out machines to somewhat manageable.

SeeThruHead 06-09-2021 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3998095)
Did you read???

One of the newest popular forms of racing spreading across the nation right now is “no-prep” type racing. In this type of racing it is more about traction management than it is about making monster amounts of power. These racers are often starting out with as little as 8 psi on the starting line, and wanting to finish the race with 40+ pounds, where the power can finally be put down at the end of the race track. A 3 port boost controller will not allow you to run a small wastegate spring and still obtain that level of boost pressure. This is where a 4 port comes into play. Yes the resolution of a 4 port isn’t as good as a 3 port, but having less resulotion isn't as much of a big deal when you have such a large spread from min boost level to max. For many racers the loss of resolution is easily worth the gain in min-max ability of boost . For street driven cars, especially FWD cars, this is a HUGE advantage. These big power street cars, or traction limited FWD cars, can go from being absolutely worthless burn-out machines to somewhat manageable.

of course i read it. I bet it's probably going to work really well. I would be interested in the psi change you get per duty cycle % if you're willing to share that information when you have it.

Spooler 06-09-2021 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SeeThruHead (Post 3998097)
of course i read it. I bet it's going to work really well. I'd be interested in the psi change you get per duty cycle % if you're willing to share that information when you have it.

The duty cycle is going to go down.

Spooler 06-11-2021 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 3998063)
In due time the beast will be unleashed :driving:

I am ready to whip up on some Hellcats, Corvettes, and Moostangs...

It's time to hand out some WTF moments like Solidius aka Al and I did once before.

SeeThruHead 06-11-2021 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3998098)
The duty cycle is going to go down.

not what i asked but :wtf2:

Spooler 06-11-2021 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeThruHead (Post 3998350)
not what i asked but :wtf2:

I did, Granularity is not a problem. This is not new.

Spooler 06-11-2021 01:44 PM

Doesn't look like it will be this week. Ugg, No fun.

Spooler 06-14-2021 10:56 AM

Still waiting on an all day slot for tuning. It may be a little while. 8-10hr tuning job takes some waiting to open up. If someone cancels, it will help. LOL, I beat that won't happen.

Spooler 06-17-2021 01:31 PM

Little birdy told me I will be on the dyno this afternoon and finishing up tomorrow sometime. Just maybe, it will happen if Murphy doesn't get me. I have no idea on the numbers. It may be 930whp or it may be 1000whp. Gonna find out what the next bottleneck is. In the realm of the unknown again.


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