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Spooler 07-09-2021 10:42 AM

Remember this????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmnGbBRM3Oo

Spooler 07-09-2021 10:46 AM

This is the record as far as I know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BshsqMcjFtI

Spooler 07-09-2021 11:08 AM

The only 1xxx whp car I am missing is Justin's car. If anyone has a video, post it up.

Spooler 07-09-2021 11:25 AM

Only 4- 370ztt's made it into the 1000whp range. Only one is still running on that same engine today. SOHO's shop car.

phunk 07-09-2021 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4001809)
The only 1xxx whp car I am missing is Justin's car. If anyone has a video, post it up.

I didnt take any videos when he made 1050 or 1060 or whichever it was maxing out his turbos. We had some videos when it was mid 900s.

His car had our 4.5" bell core, just with custom top end tanks to work with the intake manifold.

Spooler 07-09-2021 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 4001813)
I didnt take any videos when he made 1050 or 1060 or whichever it was maxing out his turbos. We had some videos when it was mid 900s.

His car had our 4.5" bell core, just with custom top end tanks to work with the intake manifold.

I tried to get you to make me one. LOL. I wish I would have pushed you a little harder now. I had a feeling I was gonna need it.

Spooler 07-09-2021 11:35 AM

I am not sure if I will make 1xxx whp. Is it really that important to me anyways? I told Nick to limit the boost to 28psi when it goes back on the dyno. It did some funky stuff at the top of the RPM range at 30psi on only one run. I don't want to kill another engine just to make a dyno number. It makes what it makes. I am out of freaking turbo.

Spooler 07-09-2021 11:42 AM

SOHO is building me a new intercooler just like is on their car. It should work just fine.

Spooler 07-09-2021 11:46 AM

At this point in time I just want to get the car dialed in with what I have and enjoy it. The intercooler upgrade was a must have. Boost by gear and the new tuning removing the TQ spike out at 5k rpm is going to be killer. Nick already has that dialed in.

redondoaveb 07-09-2021 12:51 PM

Griffin Birk (IG shewantsthezeee) is sure that he's going to hit 1000hp on his single turbo soho build. Surprisingly enough, Moncef will be doing the tuning :icon14:

Spooler 07-09-2021 12:51 PM

For anyone who wonders why I did not count the Uniquemotorsports car it is because it made 1031 hp on a hub dyno. To convert that to wheel horsepower you would need to subtract 50 to 60 hp. Look at dyno dynamics site. I think they have the conversion over there because they make both types. I remember watching it on a Youtube video when they were interviewing one of their folks.

Spooler 07-09-2021 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 4001819)
Griffin Birk (IG shewantsthezeee) is sure that he's going to hit 1000hp on his single turbo soho build. Surprisingly enough, Moncef will be doing the tuning :icon14:

Good luck to him.

Spooler 07-09-2021 12:54 PM

I have my new 1.06 Tial exhaust housing at the house. I could make it if I wanted to.

redondoaveb 07-09-2021 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4001821)
Good luck to him.

What I don't understand is why wouldn't he have soho do the tune since it's their build. For some reason he's a Moncef fanboy.

Spooler 07-09-2021 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 4001824)
What I don't understand is why wouldn't he have soho do the tune since it's their build. For some reason he's a Moncef fanboy.

If Moncef blows it up that is his (shewantsthezeee) fault, not SOHO's. He could of had SOHO do the whole build. He is cheaping out.

redondoaveb 07-09-2021 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4001825)
If Moncef blows it up that is his (shewantsthezeee) fault, not SOHO's.

Of course.

THE BULL 07-09-2021 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4000959)
^^^^^^Think I am going to put his on my intercooler this time. Not going to anodize it.

Mighty car mods did an episode on this with regular paint and it worked. I could see if a lighter coating could be applied it would increase with heat exchange.

Mr.Squeeze 07-09-2021 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4001797)
The real test is going to be when the car goes back on the dyno. 20 to 30 deg rise in IAT's will rob HP. I was at freaking 60 deg rise from Ambient. That was a holey chit moment.

Geez she was really cooking

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Spooler 07-09-2021 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by THE BULL (Post 4001828)
Mighty car mods did an episode on this with regular paint and it worked. I could see if a lighter coating could be applied it would increase with heat exchange.

Gonna use what Calico recommends. That's what they do. No spray bomb for me. Plus, if they can do a PTFE coating to help clean it easier and prevent fouling and clogging of the fins I am all for it.

Spooler 07-09-2021 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 4001829)
Geez she was really cooking

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Yup, we shall see what happens with the new intercooler.

Mr.Squeeze 07-09-2021 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4001800)
Even Dynosty's shop car was in the 1xxx whp range with an FI kit. They didn't notice it either? Did they think they were out of turbo causing it to blow hot air. I just don't get it.


Hell in both those videos Dynosty and Carbon car both front bumpers were off the car probably skewed the numbers some what.

Spooler 07-09-2021 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 4001839)
Hell in both those videos Dynosty and Carbon car both front bumpers were off the car probably skewed the numbers some what.

True, Mine was on the car. They had to take it off the dyno to take a look at the intercooler. They didn't remember what size it was either. When my car was tuned
by Vince the front bumper was on the car.

Hotrodz 07-09-2021 03:40 PM

I am not necessarily in agreement with this. It may be biased opinion on his part. I did some research on it and the hub dyno should provide a more accurate assessment of wheel horse power. Dyno jets and alike numbers are dependent on how the wheels make contact with the rollers. The load can be influenced by how tightly the cars is tied down or how grippy the roller are. I believe Seb did a video on the latter. Also rotational mass can have influence all of the for mentioned are not variables on a hub dyno. I do believe that add adjustment factors in calculating numbers.

My experience on a hub dyno with Miata was done by a tuner I trust respect as Seb. The Miata made 150whp and a week later when I had it dyno on a dyno jet because cars running in NASA competition must be on a certified dyno jet to be within the rules. The Miata made 160 plus!

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Spooler 07-09-2021 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 4001843)
I am not necessarily in agreement with this. It may be biased opinion on his part. I did some research on it and the hub dyno should provide a more accurate assessment of wheel horse power. Dyno jets and alike numbers are dependent on how the wheels make contact with the rollers. The load can be influenced by how tightly the cars is tied down or how grippy the roller are. I believe Seb did a video on the latter. Also rotational mass can have influence all of the for mentioned are not variables on a hub dyno. I do believe that add adjustment factors in calculating numbers.

My experience on a hub dyno with Miata was done by a tuner I trust respect as Seb. The Miata made 150whp and a week later when I had it dyno on a dyno jet because cars running in NASA competition must be on a certified dyno jet to be within the rules. The Miata made 160 plus!

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You are going to make me go find it aren't you. What better folks to ask advice from than the people that make both types of dynos.

Spooler 07-09-2021 03:57 PM

Here, class is in session.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtgEB8jpsYU

Spooler 07-09-2021 04:14 PM

Make no mistake, when you get up in the higher HP level you must use a Hub dyno. It's a tuning aid. If the tires are slipping, you can't tune it properly.

Spooler 07-09-2021 04:17 PM

Maybe I should be like everybody else and take the front bumper off when on the dyno. LOL

redondoaveb 07-09-2021 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4001848)
Maybe I should be like everybody else and take the front bumper off when on the dyno. LOL

Won't Moncef do that for you :stirthepot:

Spooler 07-09-2021 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 4001849)
won't moncef do that for shewantsthezeee :stirthepot:

fifu

Hotrodz 07-09-2021 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4001845)

You found it!

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redondoaveb 07-09-2021 07:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trN9OiKV6o4

Spooler 07-09-2021 09:29 PM

Is that ice bags sitting in the middle of the intake??? Well Rusty, I think you got your answer. NO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL5eJSb2Dw8

Spooler 07-09-2021 09:45 PM

This build can be yours for only $19.95.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ykMLmrY4XA

Spooler 07-10-2021 01:37 AM

^^^^^ But wait, since it is Saturday, you will get a free set of Ginsu knives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUarASqrVnY

Spooler 07-10-2021 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 4001813)
I didnt take any videos when he made 1050 or 1060 or whichever it was maxing out his turbos. We had some videos when it was mid 900s.

His car had our 4.5" bell core, just with custom top end tanks to work with the intake manifold.

I found a video and the dyno charts on Instagram. On his justinbwell username.

Spooler 07-13-2021 10:42 AM

I wish I would have drilled/tapped the exhaust manifolds so I could check drive pressures on each turbo. I feel like I am flying blind trying to figure out where the turbo's are maxing out and if backpressure is becoming an issue. One mistake in this area can cost me a headgasket. Ideally you want no more than a 1:1 ratio. 30psi of boost/30 psi of drive pressure. This will tell you where the turbo's exhaust side is becoming a restriction. The only problem is this may cause the exhaust manifold to crack unless they were cast with a bung area to install it.

redondoaveb 07-13-2021 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4002296)
I wish I would have drilled/tapped the exhaust manifolds so I could check drive pressures on each turbo. I feel like I am flying blind trying to figure out where the turbo's are maxing out and if backpressure is becoming an issue. One mistake in this area can cost me a headgasket. Ideally you want no more than a 1:1 ratio. 30psi of boost/30 psi of drive pressure. This will tell you where the turbo's exhaust side is becoming a restriction. The only problem is this may cause the exhaust manifold to crack unless they were cast with a bung area to install it.

That's something FI could easily add during production and ship with plugs for the guys that won't utilize them

Spooler 07-13-2021 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 4002301)
That's something FI could easily add during production and ship with plugs for the guys that won't utilize them

They would just need to cast a spot into the manifold. If you want it, you can drill and tap it to add it. For tubular manifolds it is not uncommon to see EGT ports on each runner for tuning purposes. All cylinders are not equal and a EGT gauge on each runner will give the tuner an idea of how much work it is doing so they can balance the cylinders out in the tune. To measure back pressure all that is needed is to weld on bung on for it. I don't see it as something FI would do for so few people that would use it. I would be better off to switch to the CJ motorsports tubular exhaust manifolds. I don't think I am going to go that far. I am about at the end of my road and I am happy with my car. At some point I will draw a line in the sand and say I am done. Did that with my truck too and have enjoyed it for many years.

Spooler 07-13-2021 11:41 AM

I did stop by my local E85 station the other day. They have been out of pump E85 for a month and a half. No driver to bring it to them. I am happy to be working from home still and not having to worry about that. Only one station around is very frustrating.
They constantly run out.

Hotrodz 07-13-2021 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4002302)
They would just need to cast a spot into the manifold. If you want it, you can drill and tap it to add it. For tubular manifolds it is not uncommon to see EGT ports on each runner for tuning purposes. All cylinders are not equal and a EGT gauge on each runner will give the tuner an idea of how much work it is doing so they can balance the cylinders out in the tune. To measure back pressure all that is needed is to weld on bung on for it. I don't see it as something FI would do for so few people that would use it. I would be better off to switch to the CJ motorsports tubular exhaust manifolds. I don't think I am going to go that far. I am about at the end of my road and I am happy with my car. At some point I will draw a line in the sand and say I am done. Did that with my truck too and have enjoyed it for many years.

The great thing about drawing a line in the sand is you can cover it up and draw another line anytime you want! Just saying!!!

Time to go have fun!!!

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