Stock Nismo and TT?

ihiryu

Has anyone done the stock Nismo catback with twins? I was wondering what kind of power it would be restricting?

Hotrodz

If you are going to TT your Z why would you not upgrade your exhaust? The loss of power would be significant...as much or than 50whp imho.

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OptionZero

Especially when the OEM cat is a main restriction for a STOCK ENGINE

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Jayhovah

You'll be giving up spool speed... Could maybe make up some of that with a boost controller, but you really want to open up the exhaust to keep your turbos moving. Also keep in mind that TT'ing your car can be an exercise in heat management and restricting your exhaust will allow a greater buildup of heat that would otherwise blow out the tailpipes.

Now, depending on your setup there can be two sides to the coin. IIRC, you are going with GTR turbos, no? Do they have internal wastegates? I am running an Invidia Gemini catback, which is relatively small (dual 2.36") compared to what a lot of TT guys are running (dual 3"). Because my kit is internally gated, and the internal gates in my kit are so small..even with my relatively restrictive exhaust I start to get a little boost creep at the top of gears 3+.

If you are doing GTR turbos - are they journal bearing? That may slow the spool as well.. so there are multiple tradeoffs and compromises depending on how your TT setup is configured.

For the guys that are running ball bearing turbos and fat external wastegates - you'll see most of them have dual 3" exhausts for good reason. =) They are maxing out the spool and don't have to worry about creep.

All of that being said, a plain nismo exhaust is going to be more restrictive than you want for pretty much any setup. Upgrade for sure.

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ihiryu

I haven't started my thread yet on it, but the kit is actually on. Even with the stock exhaust I see about 6 psi at 3300 RPM's.

Jayhovah

If you're happy with it, then I say

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ihiryu

Lol. Well the problem that I have is the sheer fact that 1/2 throttle and WOT feels basically the same in power. Husam is graciously sending over his dumped Y-pipe for me to test, so I can do back to back logs and check the difference.

Jayhovah

Sounds good! I am sure you know this, but make sure you get your tune adjusted for the dumped pipe before you start testing... you are going to flow a a lot more air through the system and that won't really be reflected via boost pressure. Good luck and be sure to report your findings!

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BOLIO 671

Sori to thread jack... But since we’re on the topic is there a significant difference in using a 2.5” Exhaust over a 3”? Will 1/2 an inch make that much difference on the spool?

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ihiryu

I'm lucky in that respect, since I tune my own cars lol

phunk

This is normal with forced induction. When you are building boost at part throttle, airflow is already bypassing the throttle plates and building up in the plenum rather than behind the throttles. Regardless if you change the exhaust or not, 6psi part throttle and 6psi full throttle are going to always feel pretty much indistinguishable in engine torque.

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phunk

Although this was written as if the 370z didnt have VVEL. Exclusive to the 370z, there is probably some more power in full throttle versus part throttle due to the VVEL position. That is mostly off topic but couldnt let it slide that I ignored VVEL in my post here talking about throttle plates.

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ihiryu

Well with that being said, phunk, do you have any experience with the stock exhaust? I haven't played with my VVEL tables with the exception at WOT.

phunk

The exhaust was the first thing changed on my car. I would put it on the dyno and tune it out and see where you are at. If you are going to keep the car at just 6psi or so, it might already be making plenty of power.

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ihiryu

Sorry all, been really busy. Went to the dyno and did a very quick tune on it, and was not happy with the results.

I'm making a smidge under 400 right now, and I am positive this is an issue with the stock exhaust. With that being said, I've ordered a cheapo ebay exhaust for testing. I plan to cut this exhaust up if it's too loud to ad resonators lol.

Also, this was only ignition timing and fuel done, I think if I spent more time with the VVEL and VTC, I'd definitely would pick up power. I did run after run with only breaks from flashing the maps on it lol.