Turbo oil drain problems w/AAM kit

Elmo370z · 03-07-2019, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT

I have the same problem 'Smoking Turbo's' with the AAM kit BW 71/63's.
Brand new built motor done right at MA-Motorsports.

Had to remove my car from AAM after 2 years - seems they were using my car as a Test Mule - they blew the (built) motor on the Dyno after 3 months of testing - then tried to get away with it.

The car is now at MA-Motorsports and the rebuild / build is almost done.
The AAM turbo kit smokes like a bandit due to poor engineering regarding the placement of the turbos too low and too close to the oil pan to drain properly.

Fast Intentions kit doesn't have this issue.
Looks like I'll be having to go the Scavenge Pump route to solve yet another AAM induced issue.

Should have gone with FI .... hope this helps the 'new guys / gals' considering going boosted....

MA-Motorsports just installed an RB-Racing Scavenge Pump ... helical gears and professional racing grade construction and quality.
Will comment once I take delivery of the car and test drive it ... Not expecting any disappointing surprises - MA-Motorsports has been top drawer all the way.

Wait what? Blew your motor? Test mule?

URBiN~HURMiT · 03-08-2019, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

Wait what? Blew your motor? Test mule?

yep ... long story short ... when dealing with AAM be very wary and keep a tight hold on to your wallet. Check their invoices for double billing and made up charges.

They congratulated me when they let me know I was 'selected' to be a part of their sponsorship program --- tho' when I read the agreement/contract after the fact I realized that they had taken over complete control of my car.
To qualify for that 20% discount on parts I had to agree to supply them with professional photographs of my car - I had to advertise their shop at car shows and at the race track - and I had to allow them use of my car as they saw fit - including testing new products.
Failure to do so they could go back and charge me for the discounts I had received from them. By the way - their prices are marked up substantially from the start to begin with.
Think about it.

They used my car as a test mule to develop their Stage II turbos, their Intake Manifold, and their Twin Fuel Pump.
They had my car on the Dyno for 3 months . eventually blowing the motor.
after which the sent me a bill for $5000 + to do a Leak down Test and remove the heads to check the piston rings.
NOPE

Their Stage II Turbo's smoke excessively and the IWG's don't work will with the EcuTEK Tuning software (Boost Spikes)
MA-Motorsports installed External Waste Gates in order to correct the boost spikes and had to install a scavenge pump to correct the turbo smoke - the side effect of this was that the $6000 (yes, $6000) AAM Flex Fuel install and Tune was now trashed - kaput - useless - a huge waste of time and money.
Their Twin Fuel Pump is too complicated to work reliably (I had to replace it with the Twin Fuel Pumps from CJM Motorsports (PHUNK)
Their Intake Manifold does work acceptably but it is a compromised design in my opinion.

This is just the tip of the iceberg concerning my 2 year never ending build and horror show experience with AAM.
I was a CA$H COW.
They dangled me from the yardarm for 2 years and although they promised the world - they didn't deliver.
MA-Motorsports had to undo their work and start from scratch.

Elmo370z · 03-08-2019, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT

yep ... long story short ... when dealing with AAM be very wary and keep a tight hold on to your wallet. Check their invoices for double billing and made up charges.

They congratulated me when they let me know I was 'selected' to be a part of their sponsorship program --- tho' when I read the agreement/contract after the fact I realized that they had taken over complete control of my car.
To qualify for that 20% discount on parts I had to agree to supply them with professional photographs of my car - I had to advertise their shop at car shows and at the race track - and I had to allow them use of my car as they saw fit - including testing new products.
Failure to do so they could go back and charge me for the discounts I had received from them. By the way - their prices are marked up substantially from the start to begin with.
Think about it.

They used my car as a test mule to develop their Stage II turbos, their Intake Manifold, and their Twin Fuel Pump.
They had my car on the Dyno for 3 months . eventually blowing the motor.
after which the sent me a bill for $5000 + to do a Leak down Test and remove the heads to check the piston rings.
NOPE

Their Stage II Turbo's smoke excessively and the IWG's don't work will with the EcuTEK Tuning software (Boost Spikes)
MA-Motorsports installed External Waste Gates in order to correct the boost spikes and had to install a scavenge pump to correct the turbo smoke - the side effect of this was that the $6000 (yes, $6000) AAM Flex Fuel install and Tune was now trashed - kaput - useless - a huge waste of time and money.
Their Twin Fuel Pump is too complicated to work reliably (I had to replace it with the Twin Fuel Pumps from CJM Motorsports (PHUNK)
Their Intake Manifold does work acceptably but it is a compromised design in my opinion.

This is just the tip of the iceberg concerning my 2 year never ending build and horror show experience with AAM.
I was a CA$H COW.
They dangled me from the yardarm for 2 years and although they promised the world - they didn't deliver.
MA-Motorsports had to undo their work and start from scratch.

Speechlessness

Elmo370z · 03-08-2019, 08:47 PM

I’m a CJM whore

solidus · 03-08-2019, 10:02 PM

Damn!! Seems like AAM just dropped the ball. There's a DannyZ video of an AAM twin Nismo here in Fla. and on decel it was kicking up huge smoke. I kinda chuckled at the video because the owners son said it was because there was no catch can but I knew right away it was oil drain.

Elmo370z · 03-08-2019, 10:18 PM

AAm are suspect, reminds of me another shady company.

solidus · 03-08-2019, 10:22 PM

Damn shame too because they had good concepts, just like the company that shall not be named. This community is too small to be pooping on people and thinking it's not gonna float and stink up your name.

Rusty · 03-08-2019, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by solidus

Damn shame too because they had good concepts, just like the company that shall not be named. This community is too small to be pooping on people and thinking it's not gonna float and stink up your name.

Rusty · 03-08-2019, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT

yep ... long story short ... when dealing with AAM be very wary and keep a tight hold on to your wallet. Check their invoices for double billing and made up charges.

They congratulated me when they let me know I was 'selected' to be a part of their sponsorship program --- tho' when I read the agreement/contract after the fact I realized that they had taken over complete control of my car.
To qualify for that 20% discount on parts I had to agree to supply them with professional photographs of my car - I had to advertise their shop at car shows and at the race track - and I had to allow them use of my car as they saw fit - including testing new products.
Failure to do so they could go back and charge me for the discounts I had received from them. By the way - their prices are marked up substantially from the start to begin with.
Think about it.

They used my car as a test mule to develop their Stage II turbos, their Intake Manifold, and their Twin Fuel Pump.
They had my car on the Dyno for 3 months . eventually blowing the motor.
after which the sent me a bill for $5000 + to do a Leak down Test and remove the heads to check the piston rings.
NOPE

Their Stage II Turbo's smoke excessively and the IWG's don't work will with the EcuTEK Tuning software (Boost Spikes)
MA-Motorsports installed External Waste Gates in order to correct the boost spikes and had to install a scavenge pump to correct the turbo smoke - the side effect of this was that the $6000 (yes, $6000) AAM Flex Fuel install and Tune was now trashed - kaput - useless - a huge waste of time and money.
Their Twin Fuel Pump is too complicated to work reliably (I had to replace it with the Twin Fuel Pumps from CJM Motorsports (PHUNK)
Their Intake Manifold does work acceptably but it is a compromised design in my opinion.

This is just the tip of the iceberg concerning my 2 year never ending build and horror show experience with AAM.
I was a CA$H COW.
They dangled me from the yardarm for 2 years and although they promised the world - they didn't deliver.
MA-Motorsports had to undo their work and start from scratch.

This is where you would like to see some bodies swinging on the gallows.

Spooler · 03-08-2019, 11:17 PM

What is crazy is MA-motorsports just sits quietly in the background fixing other peoples mistakes. Not saying anything or bashing a sole. That has to get old.

solidus · 03-08-2019, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

What is crazy is MA-motorsports just sits quietly in the background fixing other peoples mistakes. Not saying anything or bashing a sole. That has to get old.

A guy I listen to all the time made a fantastic statement one time and it's relevant. "Bently's are never on sale!!" When I first heard it it stuck with me. Because I'm a watch guy it dawned on me. You can't get a discount on a Rolex from a dealer. You've never saw a Ferrari or Lamborghini sales commercial. They don't need it because the product speaks for itself. F.I. does'nt hawk customers down , Soho does'nt chase people for sales, MA does'nt call people and beg to do their builds. They put together good product and persuade people to part with their money based on what they produce. You can fake it a couple times and nab a few people not on point. but as soon as the product is on the market , nothing you put on the internet can protect you from your product $hitting it's pants at a car meet. And because of the internet nothing can stop it from making it from the east coast to the west coast in 10 minutes. You either fix it or make as much money as you can before the party is over. And I think right now there's some dollar stacking going on.

Elmo370z · 03-08-2019, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooler

What is crazy is MA-motorsports just sits quietly in the background fixing other peoples mistakes. Not saying anything or bashing a sole. That has to get old.

They just don’t call nobody out

Elmo370z · 03-08-2019, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by solidus

A guy I listen to all the time made a fantastic statement one time and it's relevant. "Bently's are never on sale!!" When I first heard it it stuck with me. Because I'm a watch guy it dawned on me. You can't get a discount on a Rolex from a dealer. You've never saw a Ferrari or Lamborghini sales commercial. They don't need it because the product speaks for itself. F.I. does'nt hawk customers down , Soho does'nt chase people for sales, MA does'nt call people and beg to do their builds. They put together good product and persuade people to part with their money based on what they produce. You can fake it a couple times and nab a few people not on point. but as soon as the product is on the market , nothing you put on the internet can protect you from your product $hitting it's pants at a car meet. And because of the internet nothing can stop it from making it from the east coast to the west coast in 10 minutes. You either fix it or make as much money as you can before the party is over. And I think right now there's some dollar stacking going on.

Could of sworn I told somebody to get there motor installed by a company or shop that was really familiar with the VHR platform.

Spooler · 03-08-2019, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by solidus

A guy I listen to all the time made a fantastic statement one time and it's relevant. "Bently's are never on sale!!" When I first heard it it stuck with me. Because I'm a watch guy it dawned on me. You can't get a discount on a Rolex from a dealer. You've never saw a Ferrari or Lamborghini sales commercial. They don't need it because the product speaks for itself. F.I. does'nt hawk customers down , Soho does'nt chase people for sales, MA does'nt call people and beg to do their builds. They put together good product and persuade people to part with their money based on what they produce. You can fake it a couple times and nab a few people not on point. but as soon as the product is on the market , nothing you put on the internet can protect you from your product $hitting it's pants at a car meet. And because of the internet nothing can stop it from making it from the east coast to the west coast in 10 minutes. You either fix it or make as much money as you can before the party is over. And I think right now there's some dollar stacking going on.

That is nothing new. It has been going on for years. That is why you have to be extremely careful. I got out of the letting other people work on my car years ago because of it. I would be doing this build myself but my body is in pieces.

Spooler · 03-08-2019, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by solidus

Damn!! Seems like AAM just dropped the ball. There's a DannyZ video of an AAM twin Nismo here in Fla. and on decel it was kicking up huge smoke. I kinda chuckled at the video because the owners son said it was because there was no catch can but I knew right away it was oil drain.

I saw that too. Poor folks don't even know they are dumb.

03-08-2019, 08:47 PM	#34 (permalink)
Elmo370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 5,709 Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6 Rep Power: 295378	I’m a CJM whore Spooler and URBiN~HURMiT like this.

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solidus Track Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 694 Drives: 15' Nismo Black 6MT Rep Power: 10081	Damn!! Seems like AAM just dropped the ball. There's a DannyZ video of an AAM twin Nismo here in Fla. and on decel it was kicking up huge smoke. I kinda chuckled at the video because the owners son said it was because there was no catch can but I knew right away it was oil drain. Spooler and URBiN~HURMiT like this.

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Elmo370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 5,709 Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6 Rep Power: 295378	AAm are suspect, reminds of me another shady company. URBiN~HURMiT likes this.

03-08-2019, 10:22 PM	#37 (permalink)
solidus Track Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 694 Drives: 15' Nismo Black 6MT Rep Power: 10081	Damn shame too because they had good concepts, just like the company that shall not be named. This community is too small to be pooping on people and thinking it's not gonna float and stink up your name. Rusty likes this.

03-08-2019, 11:17 PM	#40 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,798 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	What is crazy is MA-motorsports just sits quietly in the background fixing other peoples mistakes. Not saying anything or bashing a sole. That has to get old. Rusty and Memphis370Z like this.

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