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Martijn_b 02-24-2020 04:06 AM

I know, it's really frustrating. Also AAM doesnt help you in this at all and comes with some BS story about reclocking the turbos. Whilst the turbo drain design is just bad.

Put a pump in, it was about 1k and 1 day of work but all the smoking is over. My intakes are dry too

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URBiN~HURMiT 02-24-2020 06:01 PM

It's my understanding that this is a common problem with low mount turbos. With the turbos mounted low - the oil return line from the turbo to the oil pan doesn't have enough downward angle to allow gravity to do it's thing - thusly, the oil backs up into the turbo and then produces that smoke as it exits the engine via the exhaust.
Turbos mounted higher than the oil pan return don't have this problem.

Rusty 02-24-2020 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3910604)
It's my understanding that this is a common problem with low mount turbos. With the turbos mounted low - the oil return line from the turbo to the oil pan doesn't have enough downward angle to allow gravity to do it's thing - thusly, the oil backs up into the turbo and then produces that smoke as it exits the engine via the exhaust.
Turbos mounted higher than the oil pan return don't have this problem.

:iagree:

solidus 02-24-2020 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3910604)
It's my understanding that this is a common problem with low mount turbos. With the turbos mounted low - the oil return line from the turbo to the oil pan doesn't have enough downward angle to allow gravity to do it's thing - thusly, the oil backs up into the turbo and then produces that smoke as it exits the engine via the exhaust.
Turbos mounted higher than the oil pan return don't have this problem.

That's why Sasha did the Exa pump setup with the initial BP kits. All it takes to appreciate what that thing does is to run the car with the wiring from the Exapump jacked up. You have a whole new appreciation after flushing oil from your intercooler then having to drive around with a smoke stack till the oil burns out of your exhaust.

Rusty 02-24-2020 10:58 PM

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That's why Sasha did the Exa pump setup with the initial BP kits. All it takes to appreciate what that thing does is to run the car with the wiring from the Exapump jacked up. You have a whole new appreciation after flushing oil from your intercooler then having to drive around with a smoke stack till the oil burns out of your exhaust.

You be a crop dustin'. :rofl2:

solidus 02-24-2020 11:52 PM

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You be a crop dustin'. :rofl2:

It was way worse. Looked like an LAV on the beach poppin smoke. Seriously.....actually got pulled over......in Florida ( No inspections ) ...for smoke.

URBiN~HURMiT 02-25-2020 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by solidus (Post 3910640)
That's why Sasha did the Exa pump setup with the initial BP kits. All it takes to appreciate what that thing does is to run the car with the wiring from the Exapump jacked up. You have a whole new appreciation after flushing oil from your intercooler then having to drive around with a smoke stack till the oil burns out of your exhaust.

I did the scavenge pump fix as well …

zguynate 02-27-2020 05:57 PM

I never resolved this issue. I’m having my motor reworked by Dynosty, so I’m waiting on that to come back. I’m strongly considering selling my AAM kit and going back to the BP kit for simplicity’s sake. Since the turbo system is completely out now anyway it will be easier to swap out now.

Spooler 02-27-2020 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by zguynate (Post 3911533)
I never resolved this issue. I’m having my motor reworked by Dynosty, so I’m waiting on that to come back. I’m strongly considering selling my AAM kit and going back to the BP kit for simplicity’s sake. Since the turbo system is completely out now anyway it will be easier to swap out now.

Why don't you get a Fast Intentions TT kit? Ten times better than both of those.

JARblue 02-27-2020 07:46 PM

:gtfo2: AAM and BP do not belong in the same category ever. AAM products are shìt. The BP kit is solid. Don't hate.

The GT-R turbo kit husam just put out is looking pretty solid as well.


That's not to say that FI isn't the cream of the crop. But if FI is 10X better than BP, then FI is a trillion times better than AAM.

zguynate 02-28-2020 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3911538)
Why don't you get a Fast Intentions TT kit? Ten times better than both of those.

I like the FI kit but I really liked the simplicity and easy maintenance of the BP kit. Not to mention it sounds amazing. Plus I would have to spend a lot more money to get the power I currently have if I got the FI kit vs the BP kit. I’m getting tired of dumping so much money into this thing lol.

Spooler 02-28-2020 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by zguynate (Post 3911591)
I like the FI kit but I really liked the simplicity and easy maintenance of the BP kit. Not to mention it sounds amazing. Plus I would have to spend a lot more money to get the power I currently have if I got the FI kit vs the BP kit. I’m getting tired of dumping so much money into this thing lol.

I have one major requirement. The kit must not pop off hose couplers on the cold side when I turn up the boost. That means the BP kit is out. No tinkering needed kit is what I require.

solidus 02-28-2020 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3911627)
I have one major requirement. The kit must not pop off hose couplers on the cold side when I turn up the boost. That means the BP kit is out. No tinkering needed kit is what I require.

In fairness, this happens when retired cops play tuner when they're bored.

Spooler 02-28-2020 07:33 PM

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In fairness, this happens when retired cops play tuner when they're bored.

Does somebody need to come down there and pop your hands with a ruler? You aren't the only one that has had issues. You see it when you get up in the 20psi or greater area. One guy converted his all to Vband.

solidus 02-28-2020 07:57 PM

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Does somebody need to come down there and pop your hands with a ruler? You aren't the only one that has had issues. You see it when you get up in the 20psi or greater area. One guy converted his all to Vband.

Who? I will pay him to have a fabricator clone the set for me.

Spooler 02-28-2020 09:30 PM

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Who? I will pay him to have a fabricator clone the set for me.

It was Freshkiicks in Cali.

solidus 02-28-2020 10:35 PM

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It was Freshkiicks in Cali.

Pffft he got YouTube money, I gotta babysit grown people and fight with idiots.

Martijn_b 03-01-2020 05:55 PM

Honestly, the AAM kit feels like a version 0.9 kit or something. A bit like Stillens SC kit, it has the potential to be so much better. Some of the components are good: manifolds, borg warner EFR turbos, intercooler is efficient, etc. But the routing of the pipework and required "hack jobs" to make this kit work (dent your front chassis to clear the actuators, turbo return design causing need for scavenger pump, air filter placement is bad and needs 90 degree relocation) shouldn't be required for a 10.000 usd kit.

I have by now fixed all the issues and really enjoy the kit. Its reliable and performs well. If I were to go boosted again I would go FI as well though. Just because I dont like having to make so many adjustments to such an expensive kit.

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URBiN~HURMiT 03-01-2020 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Martijn_b (Post 3912017)
Honestly, the AAM kit feels like a version 0.9 kit or something. A bit like Stillens SC kit, it has the potential to be so much better. Some of the components are good: manifolds, borg warner EFR turbos, intercooler is efficient, etc. But the routing of the pipework and required "hack jobs" to make this kit work (dent your front chassis to clear the actuators, turbo return design causing need for scavenger pump, air filter placement is bad and needs 90 degree relocation) shouldn't be required for a 10.000 usd kit.

I have by now fixed all the issues and really enjoy the kit. Its reliable and performs well. If I were to go boosted again I would go FI as well though. Just because I dont like having to make so many adjustments to such an expensive kit.

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I totally agree with everything you've mentioned.
My car actually ran .3 seconds faster in the quarter mile on the Stillen SC kit than it did with the AAM stage II Twin Turbo's on pump gas. There have been a number of issues I've had to address with the AAM kit as well.
Turbo smoke being only one of them...but the 'biggie' was blowing the passenger side 71/63 turbo shortly (and I do mean shortly) after picking up my car.
(I did have to upgrade the original IC to the one made by Charles (PHUNK) because it wasn't up to the task of handling the intake air temps reliably).
That was another costly 'fix' needed to make the AAM kit work in real life.
I'm about ready to pick the car up - once again.
How/ Where did you relocate the air filters ??? I've thought about doing this as well. The AAM design with this is severely lacking.


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