Preparation for the STILLEN supercharger

Phimosis

Again, you're doing nothing constructive here and you are only trying to be offenseive. It's not warranted and hurts the370.com community.

Claiming that Stillen is using illegal business practices in the marketing of their product is not "questioning them." Your comments are unwarranted and what you're claiming is probably not provable, even if it were true.

After reading your posts throughout this thread, you'll probably want to debate me on my use of the word "illegal", but "illegitimate" is referring to parentage of offspring. To use "Illegitimate" in the business context, the synonym which most closely fits is "illegal." Cross reference a thesaurus if you don't believe me. The interpretation by attorneys in a slander suit would also use the same logic.

About your most recent comment about my signature "solving your mystery;" all you are trying to do is deflect the criticism back at someone else to avoid scrutiny. I could answer with reasons like, they were first to market or they offered a group buy, etc.. But, the truth still is that you are being rude to too many of the people on this forum for no valid reason. I really am surprised the administrators have allowed this behaviour and not deleted your posts. If every member took the same attitude that you do towards Kyle and the other members of the Stillen team, or even Sam at GTM for that matter, they would simply stop posting to this forum. Think about it just for a moment; if Kyle was getting verbally attacked and badgered by EVERY person, they wouldn't post here. They would find another forum or advertising outlet that was friendly to them and release their information there first. And honestly, there are other 370z forums out there that haven't done as well and would love to get exclusive updates on aftermarket projects. If we chase off people like Stillen, GTM and Altered Atmosphere and they start posting their breaking news to other sites and refuse to post here, we end up killing the site. So please, use your sarcasm for humor, not to insult. And if you are skeptical of someone's data, post a rhetorical question, like "why would they do that?" rather than a direct confrontation.

Thanks,

-Phim

Kyle@STILLEN

We have only scratched the surface of what we have planned for the 370Z!

The orange GT R is currently set up for Targa road rallies. We wanted to take the car on the track at Fontana but it had literally just come home about two days before the meet and was still set up in rally trim so it wouldn't have been very good. The shocks were too soft, the sway bar was too soft, the ride height was too tall...It would have been really slow.

The GT R racing in the Challenge series this year is going to be equipped with our coil overs, sway bars, and brake lines. We actually don't have anything to do with that car other than a parts supplier.

Steve really wants to continue with the Targa rallies which means the car will be traveling to New Zealand and Australia and a few other countries/events. As much as I'd like to make the GT R our Time Attack car, Steve wants to continue using it in the rallies.

If we're able to put together a Time Attack program we will be using a 370Z. We will probably start in the lower classes, then move to modified then eventually the hope would be to go to Unlimited. It really depends on development, money, and the driver.

stormcrow

I can't blame Steve. Honestly, the Targa series will bring more coverage than the RTA series. It will certainly have a better ROI. The GoTo team, I believe (don't quote me), are also looking at other options for their GT-R. RTA just doesn't bring in the media coverage or fan base necessary for large scale teams. Just make sure to tell Steve to be on the lookout for this Martin Donnon fellow when down under. He will try to fill the GT-R transmission with snake oil and Chinese clutch packs.

Racing the 370Z in the Street class in RTA would be ok, but I honestly would recommend setting your sights on starting in Modified. I think you guys should be able to compete with AE Performance and Double Down. I'm sure other teams will pop up with the 370Z this year, as well. Though, watch out for that Paul D of AE...the kid's got mad driving skills. Unlimited is going to be very fun to watch this year. I think there is going to be some extreme competition.

CinZinnati

Just my two cents...and I say this to be positive. I want this thread to stay on track, but I think that it sucks that Kyle feels the need to apologize. IMO he is doing us a favor keeping us in the loop, even if only to a certain degree. Granted he is a salesman, but still....
However, I enjoy the heated debates. It shows enthusiasm and shows the knowledge of the forums members-from which I obtain a ton of info. Debates bring about knowledge (sounds corny) but true. Nothing wrong with heated exchanges but lets not get personal or we all miss out. A few pages back before it got personal there was some great info being thrown out because of differences of opinion, difference was it wasn't personal. I can't speak for Kyle or Josh, but I would think they also appreciate the debate and enthusiasm...but not the negativity. I like the thought of everyone being on the same page, even with different opinions.
If all this crap doesn't stop tho....I'm gonna start dvring my shows cause this is way more entertaining hehe

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stormcrow

My last OT post in this thread...unless Kyle would like to continue talking racing. That I can do all day. CinZinnati, you bring up some very good points and I, too, hate the fact that some of this turned personal. That was never my intention and I accept my responsibility in returning fire when first fired upon. That said, I believe you do see the point of my posts...passing on my experiences and first-hand knowledge to those who come after me all the while trying to keep vendors honest.

I will say that I believe I have jumped on Kyle a bit too harshly for not posting the PSI, but in my own defense, it was too reminiscent of other forum members' past experiences with other vendors. Secrecy and false claims have led to other vendors' (VRT, SGP, RA, PF, etc.) fleecing the 350Z and G35 communities, so it struck a bit too close to home. Stillen is not amongst these vendors, so, admittedly, I should have treaded a bit more softly.

One thing I do want to state my opinion on is something that both you and Phim brought up - reasoning that Stillen, AAM, GTM and other vendors are somehow doing us a favor by posting on these boards. This is completely untrue. WE are their clientelle. We are the reason they are in business and why they develop aftermarket products. Posting tidbits of information and updates only serves to entice their market base. Without forum members reading their threads, updates, and marketing, their sales would dwindle drastically. Sure, we all love the updates, but the vendors NEED to post these more than we need to see them. Just food for thought.

BTW, the old addage of "any publicity is good publicity" remains true. I'm sure I've sealed the deal on a few kits...especially with the fanboys. You never know - Kyle may be paying me to post.

Zsteve

So true, as a consumer we are putting our hard earned money into venders pockets so we want good quality, fair priced products. But we need good and true info to make our selection. I can wait for the final release but if I am promised something then I want it and if its not there then some credibility has been lost, but can be regained by a good product with fair pricing. We, the consumer should demand this and these forums can help with that, and help both sides. Us letting vendors know what we want, and vendors by giving good info when ready.

I am patiently waiting for the release. Well semi patiently.

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370Zsteve

And that's the point where you went on ignore. Have a great life, Mario.

edit: first time I've used the feature, this thread's size just got halved, rofl.

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Buddy Revell

Yeah, there's always a trade-off when it comes to sizing. It comes down to what your priority is, more peak power potential or more mid-range power. Was wondering what your thoughts were about that?

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Zsteve

But it works for the celebs and pro sports guys!

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stormcrow

RCZ - I will reply here instead of in PM for two reasons:

One, I am not here to make friends. I am here for the same reasons I have been on my350z, g35driver, mygfrenzy, 350zmotoring, NAGTROC, et al and this is to learn, to share and to try and better the community that I am currently involved with. I may be new here, but as I have explained before, I am certainly not new to this game. You, like many others, tend to look at someone's "join date" and downplay what they say as their being 'noobish'. But, in this instance you couldn't be more wrong. My join date signifies when I purchased a 370Z. Before then, I had no reason to be on this forum partaking in what it has to offer. In case you didn't bother to read, I came from a GT-R.

Secondly, you have been on my heels since my first post in the GTM thread. You have tried to negate anything positive I have said in reference to the GTM SC kit and have shown yourself a Stillen groupie. I don't discount your loyalty to Stillen. It's all well and good. But, when you jump on your "Holier than thou" soapbox while trying to discredit my experience and opinion, this is where I call a spade a spade. So, I owe you nothing and my response to you will be public. Now on to that.

Thank you for admitting that I am correct. You will find that I firmly believe in posting things that I know to be fact instead of conjecture. But, your stating that I did not address that the smaller housing is a limiting factor for horsepower is incorrect. I quote myself from post #837 of this thread - please note text in bold:


For positive contributions, either wait or check my other posts in different threads. Granted, nothing of true significance yet, but there will be. That said, there is no backpedalling on my behalf. I have asked, on multiple occasions, for Kyle to post the PSI used to produce the posted dyno chart. He has adamantly refused. Whether for good or for bad, I respect his decision and will not continue to rehash the same issue. I will leave others to decide what they think of the reasoning posted. I did feel the need to extend a minor apology to Kyle for being as crass as I was in some posts, but this stems from my own conscience, not from any desire to "win friends".

As far as the publicity goes...well, the onus is on Stillen to handle the PR however they see fit. If someone chooses not to buy the kit based on my questions, so be it. If they choose to buy the kit based on a disdain for me, so be it. My ultimate goal is to have truth in advertising and transparency from the vendors we support. I am sorry that you cannot grasp this concept.

LUVZTTZ

Uggh. Nobody cares...

stormcrow

PM sent your way to keep this thread from going further OT.