Preparation for the STILLEN supercharger

travisjb

...by the way, both of those guys referenced above are new to the forum and seem to me to have better than average technical knowledge... checking their profiles, one of them doesn't even indicate ownership of a 370Z and for both - most/all of their posts are limited to 1 topic... supporting statements for 'the other' SC kit... just making an observation- I think their questions are valid regardless of whether they are simply Z owners or whatever, but I am curious as to their interests in the topic

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2009 370Z #104
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StillenZ

lol, I was wondering the same thing... As I said I'm a little new to all of this but someone else mentioned that in the other thread also.. like wondering where their knowledge came from... still seems valid though.. wouldn't mind hearing responses... either way I don't think its going to come down to any of the comments made..Like my daddy always says... Liars always figure and FIGURES DON'T LIE.

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frost

Good observation my pot stirring friend!

travisjb

so much for my ninja edit! was trying to tone it down... lol

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frost

lol, there ya go!

kdoske

How can you cool the air after the MAF sensors? Just seems kinda crazy. Depending on how well the water cooler worked I would think CEL's would be thrown around some--just curious.....


Are you gonna somehow place the MAFs after the intercooler?

RCZ

I see sparks coming.

MMC Racing

I don't know what is more sad - the fact that you have no clue what was included in the 03-06 kit (intercooler included for example), the fact that it was sold cheaper through retailers, or the fact that everyone has taken your numbers as fact and used them to speculate prices.

Buddy Revell

Were the kits sold for significantly less than list price when they first came out? People discussing price on the new kits are most likely gonna be amongst the first to buy them.

MMC Racing

Depends how well Stillen does on controlling the retailers they sell to (or if they only sell direct). Vortech didn't do a very good job of controlling price. I bought my Vortech kit in 2004 for $4300 (not tuner).. Seems like there might have been a price increase along the way also, but don't quote me on that..

The more important point was the claimed lack of parts that did in fact come with the Vortech kit. Also misquoting the tuning device included and valuing (in dollar terms) the split second box versus a reflash. A straight reflash should in fact cost much less, while including something like a Cobb AP would have a higher value..

Kyle@STILLEN

Those are good questions and they will all be answered in due time. I'm on my iPhone right now so I don't really feel like getting finger cramps pecking away lol.

Simply put there is a lot of speculation in those questions. All of which is incorrect. There are in fact two intake tubes on our kit. We just havent released all of our photos yet. When we release the photos and more technical data you will see what I'm talking about.

So I'm not the only one who found it interesting that those questions were brought up by new people in the other discussion and not in this one???

Buddy Revell

Thanks for the reply, Kyle. Like I said on the other thread, I welcome a technical conversation about the positives and negatives of both systems before I put down such a large chunk of money on either kit. I'm not on one bandwagon or another and simply want the best product I can get. Looking forward to the additional info.

NewYorkJon34

I'm sure the GTM & Stillen kits will both be worth the money, I just don't like how they are putting down the Stillen kit in the GTM thread. Especially since Stillen has not really released any real info, Hp/Tq numbers, or testing reviews.

1slow370

2003-2006 Nissan 350Z Supercharging Systems | Vortech Superchargers

Alright I missed the line that said "Integrated charge cooling" so the intercooler is included in the vortech kit but the prices are straight from the page. the price of the head unit can be found on the site as well. the vendors probablyy do get a price break on that but the point that it does cost significantly more than the magnusson blower from the last stillen kit is valid. an accesport costs over 600$(which we don't even know if this is what they are using), the supercharger is over the 2000 mark, a cold air intake that has the same amount of piping costs 300-600 dollars, the belts bracketry and all the other parts probably cost another 2000-3000 if you include the manifold, and intercoolers are not cheap, then there is labor and overhead, legal fees, warranty insurance, carb approval, marketing, shipping costs, it sure as hell isn't going to be 5000 and if it is stillen worked some god damn impressive haggling miracles.

I'm going to ask the same question i asked in the GTM thread and that is how come the maf sensors aren't placed ahead of the supercharger to measure the actual uncompressed air charge with IAT's split off and mounted into the manifold to measure the real intake temps, or were you able to upgrade the stock MAP sensor to gauge the pressure created in the manifold? Or are we looking at a tune that is going to modify the VE tables to simply go around that?

Kyle@STILLEN

Well, I decided to pop into the other thread and see what has been going on over the weekend...Seems like I missed out on some interesting discussions that appear to have been edited. Darn, wish I could have seen what was said.

I am sure that there are numerous questions from everyone...Why? Because no data has been provided. To make statements right now on the performance of either kit would be asinine. We have our doubts/concerns about some of the things we've seen in regards to GTM's kit however we have chosen to sit back and see what unfolds. We have been in this business far too long to think we can tell everything by looking at a picture.

Also, I have seen this question/concern come up a couple of times so I will briefly answer it.

Why did we relocate the dual throttle bodies on to the passenger side rather than on the driver side which would have been a shorter distance to travel?

The answer is simple...Clearance...We found a spot inside the engine bay which allowed us to mount the largest supercharger possible. Unfortunately, this area is limited by the hood clearance. When I get a chance I will post a picture for you that clearly shows what I'm talking about. To mount the throttle bodies on the driver's side we would literally be running the intake piping through the engine...There just wasn't room for the piping.

I'm sure the following statement will be made "Well, GTM says they designed their supercharger to work with the car, not around it..." Right...So did we, which is why we found the largest pocket of space available in the engine bay.

By the way, what'd you California people think of that rain last week? I'm sure glad our Gen. 3 intake filters are mounted so high so no one had to worry about hydrolocking! Could it be that we thought of this when developing the supercharger as well???