Preparation for the STILLEN supercharger

Buddy Revell · 03-09-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

I think with those figures you were referring to the power levels between the stillen kit and the gtm kit? If Im not mistaken that was around the difference in the power curves.

No, my numbers were just hypothetical. The curves for the GTM and Stillen dynos were a bit different than that. They had bigger differences in the mid-range and a smaller difference in the top end, but I didn't use those because those aren't the final numbers.

RCZ · 03-09-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddy Revell

No, my numbers were just hypothetical. The curves for the GTM and Stillen dynos were a bit different than that. They had bigger differences in the mid-range and a smaller difference in the top end, but I didn't use those because those aren't the final numbers.

Oh alright, I didnt pay too much attention to that since Stillen's numbers werent final, but there you have it. That is my opinion. What do you think?

Also just want to add.... when you get into GTM's stage 3 kit with the bigger compressor housing, that difference in mid range between the two kits disappears since now you are running similarly sized units.

Zsteve · 03-09-2010, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

I actually agree this time, but I think it goes both ways. We get to have input in the design of the products we are going to buy and they get to hear what we want to see and in term sell more products. Its a win-win for both sides. You were also right about smaller compressor housing producing torque earlier, but you failed to mention that the smaller housing is a huge limiting factor on hp. Upgrading compressors is a hell of a lot more money than changing a pulley and a map.

Also my last OT post on this thread.

On the other hand, you haven't done or said anything at any point that has made me want to buy this kit more. In fact if I didn't know this forum better and I came in and saw the last few pages where it seems that Stillen is dodging your psi questions, it would actually be a huge deterrent to buying it. I highly doubt you have done anything for them except letting them show their professionalism. "Any publicity is good publicity"? That's also not true at all on a forum full of informed buyers. In here bad publicity is bad publicity, specially so when they are in direct competition with another product launch.

You can backpedal all you want now and apologize, but you chose to come in here with an attitude and I still haven't seen you make a single positive contribution. This little "I'm sorry, but it wasn't my fault" speech isn't going to win you any friends either.

Just calling it like I see it. Everyone here that knows me knows I'm a nice guy, but I don't sit quietly when someone with no history comes in and dishes out insults left and right.

If you want to talk, refrain from posting here and PM me off this thread.
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Back OT for good.

How is the swap over to the Z going Kyle and also importantly, did it end up clearing the strut bar??

But it works for the celebs and pro sports guys!

Zsteve · 03-09-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Oh alright, I didnt pay too much attention to that since Stillen's numbers werent final, but there you have it. That is my opinion. What do you think?

Also just want to add.... when you get into GTM's stage 3 kit with the bigger compressor housing, that difference in mid range between the two kits disappears since now you are running similarly sized units.

So are you saying one kits stage one will be smaller than the others stage one? So one will be good for low-mid gains and the other for mid-high gains?

Buddy Revell · 03-09-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Oh alright, I didnt pay too much attention to that since Stillen's numbers werent final, but there you have it. That is my opinion. What do you think?

Interesting points. Thanks. It'll be cool to see more performance data on all the different stages for these kits when they are eventually released.

stormcrow · 03-09-2010, 03:21 PM

RCZ - I will reply here instead of in PM for two reasons:

One, I am not here to make friends. I am here for the same reasons I have been on my350z, g35driver, mygfrenzy, 350zmotoring, NAGTROC, et al and this is to learn, to share and to try and better the community that I am currently involved with. I may be new here, but as I have explained before, I am certainly not new to this game. You, like many others, tend to look at someone's "join date" and downplay what they say as their being 'noobish'. But, in this instance you couldn't be more wrong. My join date signifies when I purchased a 370Z. Before then, I had no reason to be on this forum partaking in what it has to offer. In case you didn't bother to read, I came from a GT-R.

Secondly, you have been on my heels since my first post in the GTM thread. You have tried to negate anything positive I have said in reference to the GTM SC kit and have shown yourself a Stillen groupie. I don't discount your loyalty to Stillen. It's all well and good. But, when you jump on your "Holier than thou" soapbox while trying to discredit my experience and opinion, this is where I call a spade a spade. So, I owe you nothing and my response to you will be public. Now on to that.

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Originally Posted by RCZ

I actually agree this time, but I think it goes both ways. We get to have input in the design of the products we are going to buy and they get to hear what we want to see and in term sell more products. Its a win-win for both sides. You were also right about smaller compressor housing producing torque earlier, but you failed to mention that the smaller housing is a huge limiting factor on hp. Upgrading compressors is a hell of a lot more money than changing a pulley and a map.

Thank you for admitting that I am correct. You will find that I firmly believe in posting things that I know to be fact instead of conjecture. But, your stating that I did not address that the smaller housing is a limiting factor for horsepower is incorrect. I quote myself from post #837 of this thread - please note text in bold:

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

The truth is, it takes the larger Vortech more RPMs to push the same CFM as the smaller compressor of the Rotrex at lower RPMs. It's not a huge amount, but definitely significant enough to show the differences in torque. The plus side of this? More power to be had when running higher boost as the larger blower will not run out of steam as quickly.

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Also my last OT post on this thread.

On the other hand, you haven't done or said anything at any point that has made me want to buy this kit more. In fact if I didn't know this forum better and I came in and saw the last few pages where it seems that Stillen is dodging your psi questions, it would actually be a huge deterrent to buying it. I highly doubt you have done anything for them except letting them show their professionalism. "Any publicity is good publicity"? That's also not true at all on a forum full of informed buyers. In here bad publicity is bad publicity, specially so when they are in direct competition with another product launch.

You can backpedal all you want now and apologize, but you chose to come in here with an attitude and I still haven't seen you make a single positive contribution. This little "I'm sorry, but it wasn't my fault" speech isn't going to win you any friends either.

Just calling it like I see it. Everyone here that knows me knows I'm a nice guy, but I don't sit quietly when someone with no history comes in and dishes out insults left and right.

If you want to talk, refrain from posting here and PM me off this thread.

For positive contributions, either wait or check my other posts in different threads. Granted, nothing of true significance yet, but there will be. That said, there is no backpedalling on my behalf. I have asked, on multiple occasions, for Kyle to post the PSI used to produce the posted dyno chart. He has adamantly refused. Whether for good or for bad, I respect his decision and will not continue to rehash the same issue. I will leave others to decide what they think of the reasoning posted. I did feel the need to extend a minor apology to Kyle for being as crass as I was in some posts, but this stems from my own conscience, not from any desire to "win friends".

As far as the publicity goes...well, the onus is on Stillen to handle the PR however they see fit. If someone chooses not to buy the kit based on my questions, so be it. If they choose to buy the kit based on a disdain for me, so be it. My ultimate goal is to have truth in advertising and transparency from the vendors we support. I am sorry that you cannot grasp this concept.

LUVZTTZ · 03-09-2010, 03:57 PM

Uggh. Nobody cares...

Liquid_G · 03-09-2010, 04:16 PM

seriously wtf save the drama for your mama.. tired of reading **** like this.

Buddy Revell · 03-09-2010, 05:05 PM

Proper use of the ignore button probably would've reduced the size of this thread in half, LOL.

jmlenz · 03-09-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Liquid_G

seriously wtf save the drama for your mama.. tired of reading **** like this.

+1000000

I think everyone is tired of reading this bullsh** back and forth bickering. Someone please be the better man and just not repsond to the other...let it go.

RCZ · 03-09-2010, 06:22 PM

Yup ignore button has been put to use since i last posted, so I can't really know if he posted anything back, not that I care. In fact I'm taking down all my unnecessary posts to reduce clutter.

Absolutely lets get back on track with this thread.

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

So are you saying one kits stage one will be smaller than the others stage one? So one will be good for low-mid gains and the other for mid-high gains?

Yeah well, I'm sure Stillen will correct me if I'm wrong and I dont want to speak for them, but the stillen Stage 1 compressor is the same size as the other stage compressors. The only thing that changes is the pulley and tune. That's why its very easy and cheap to upgrade.

GTM on the other hand has different compressors for each stage, so yes the GTM stage 1 compressor should be smaller than (less peak power in exchange for a bit more low end torque) than the Stillen Stage 1.

de_dust · 03-09-2010, 08:42 PM

i hope RCZ gets a GTM kit and do the review of the supercharger... and who ever is a GTM fan boy who is knowledgeable enough to do a review of the Stillen kit... hahaha

Zsteve · 03-09-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Yup ignore button has been put to use since i last posted, so I can't really know if he posted anything back, not that I care. In fact I'm taking down all my unnecessary posts to reduce clutter.

Absolutely lets get back on track with this thread.

Yeah well, I'm sure Stillen will correct me if I'm wrong and I dont want to speak for them, but the stillen Stage 1 compressor is the same size as the other stage compressors. The only thing that changes is the pulley and tune. That's why its very easy and cheap to upgrade.

GTM on the other hand has different compressors for each stage, so yes the GTM stage 1 compressor should be smaller than (less peak power in exchange for a bit more low end torque) than the Stillen Stage 1.

Well that makes things more interesting, I will stay stage 1 if I get one so I guess I would want more tq than high end hp. But as always, once you have the power you want more.

fstrnldr · 03-10-2010, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Yeah well, I'm sure Stillen will correct me if I'm wrong and I dont want to speak for them, but the stillen Stage 1 compressor is the same size as the other stage compressors. The only thing that changes is the pulley and tune. That's why its very easy and cheap to upgrade.

GTM on the other hand has different compressors for each stage, so yes the GTM stage 1 compressor should be smaller than (less peak power in exchange for a bit more low end torque) than the Stillen Stage 1.

I'm curious why you think its better to run a compressor out of or on the low end of its efficiency range rather than just be realistic about your power goals and buy a charger based on that from the beginning? I can't see choosing something based on what i might do later when its not the best option for what i am building right now.

LiquidZ · 03-10-2010, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fstrnldr

I'm curious why you think its better to run a compressor out of or on the low end of its efficiency range rather than just be realistic about your power goals and buy a charger based on that from the beginning? I can't see choosing something based on what i might do later when its not the best option for what i am building right now.

I think it comes down to people becoming power hungry when they are exposed to boost. Giving a kit that produces great numbers out of the box is great, but giving people the ability to make big power when they are ready without changing major components, even better.

The same design philosophy is used by Greddy with their twin turbo kits.

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