Originally Posted by StillenZ not tryin to take up space....but agreed ^^^^... look at my sig though... damnit. Soooo you want the GTM?
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03-08-2010, 08:47 PM | #963 (permalink) | |
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Racing the 370Z in the Street class in RTA would be ok, but I honestly would recommend setting your sights on starting in Modified. I think you guys should be able to compete with AE Performance and Double Down. I'm sure other teams will pop up with the 370Z this year, as well. Though, watch out for that Paul D of AE...the kid's got mad driving skills. Unlimited is going to be very fun to watch this year. I think there is going to be some extreme competition. |
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Just my two cents...and I say this to be positive. I want this thread to stay on track, but I think that it sucks that Kyle feels the need to apologize. IMO he is doing us a favor keeping us in the loop, even if only to a certain degree. Granted he is a salesman, but still....
However, I enjoy the heated debates. It shows enthusiasm and shows the knowledge of the forums members-from which I obtain a ton of info. Debates bring about knowledge (sounds corny) but true. Nothing wrong with heated exchanges but lets not get personal or we all miss out. A few pages back before it got personal there was some great info being thrown out because of differences of opinion, difference was it wasn't personal. I can't speak for Kyle or Josh, but I would think they also appreciate the debate and enthusiasm...but not the negativity. I like the thought of everyone being on the same page, even with different opinions. If all this crap doesn't stop tho....I'm gonna start dvring my shows cause this is way more entertaining hehe
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03-08-2010, 11:43 PM | #967 (permalink) |
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well stop being lazy travis and get that bad boy published ASAP!
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03-09-2010, 10:02 AM | #969 (permalink) | |
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I will say that I believe I have jumped on Kyle a bit too harshly for not posting the PSI, but in my own defense, it was too reminiscent of other forum members' past experiences with other vendors. Secrecy and false claims have led to other vendors' (VRT, SGP, RA, PF, etc.) fleecing the 350Z and G35 communities, so it struck a bit too close to home. Stillen is not amongst these vendors, so, admittedly, I should have treaded a bit more softly. One thing I do want to state my opinion on is something that both you and Phim brought up - reasoning that Stillen, AAM, GTM and other vendors are somehow doing us a favor by posting on these boards. This is completely untrue. WE are their clientelle. We are the reason they are in business and why they develop aftermarket products. Posting tidbits of information and updates only serves to entice their market base. Without forum members reading their threads, updates, and marketing, their sales would dwindle drastically. Sure, we all love the updates, but the vendors NEED to post these more than we need to see them. Just food for thought. BTW, the old addage of "any publicity is good publicity" remains true. I'm sure I've sealed the deal on a few kits...especially with the fanboys. You never know - Kyle may be paying me to post. |
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Yeah, there's always a trade-off when it comes to sizing. It comes down to what your priority is, more peak power potential or more mid-range power. Was wondering what your thoughts were about that?
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Yeah, sure. Would a 10-12 whp advantage at the top end be worth it if there was a 20-25 whp disadvantage in the mid-range?
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On a side note, it hit 60 degrees here the last couple of days and has just been gorgeous outside. I put a smile on my face every time I think about meeting RCZ 'half way' and putting together an awesome show for everyone! What a difference the days make on how much you can truly enjoy driving the crap out of the car!
...cant wait.
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03-09-2010, 02:12 PM | #975 (permalink) |
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Well, if you phrase it like that perhaps not. However, that's not exactly a realistic situation. A big factor with this kit is going to be upgradability. A supercharger that has a larger housing from the start may suffer a little bit on the low end, but has much greater potential. I think with those figures you were referring to the power levels between the stillen kit and the gtm kit? If Im not mistaken that was around the difference in the power curves.
This is all purely theoretical because we have no idea what the production power output of the CARB legal Stillen kit. They have said it several times. It may end up being higher or lower. So to answer your question I'll say this: It is absolutely worth it to me for two reasons. 1) The power potential and 2) Price of upgrading. You say 10-12hp peak advantage? I say you aren't scratching the surface of the potential of having a bigger housing at 10-12hp. I think You are looking at more of at least a 50+whp power difference with some very slight alterations. That takes me to my second point, ease and price of upgrading. Changing a pulley and a tune may cost a few hundred bucks all said and done, labor included. So if you wanted to upgrade from say a stillen stage 1 to a stage 2, you would simply keep the compressor housing, but change the pulley and the tune. Correct me if I'm wrong, but GTM said that each staged kit uses a different compressor housing. That means that if you wanted to upgrade from a stage 1 to a stage 2, you wouldnt be looking at a $300 anymore, now you're looking at a $1000 minimum between parts, labor and a tune. So absolutely, its worth it for me to lose 5% of power in the mid range in exchange for the potential to make so much more and very cheaply. After all, in any situation where you are actually using the power, your RPM's aren't dropping below 4k. That little bump in mid range tq more or less becomes meaningless. (just to clarify, I don't know that upgrading Stillen will be $300 or that upgrading GTM will be $1000, those numbers are just there to point out the fact that there is a BIG price difference between a pulley change and a compressor change) Last edited by RCZ; 03-09-2010 at 02:17 PM. |
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