Preparation for the STILLEN supercharger

LiquidZ · 02-28-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee

This is what I was talking about from earlier. I actually got crossed up in the forum here. Somehow, I made a multi-quote reply from one thread to another. Kinda messed me up. I am going to stick to one tab at a time now, lol.

Gotcha. Those numbers are actually properties of the compressor regardless of the engine its feeding.

roplusbee · 02-28-2010, 06:27 PM

That is pretty awesome then. I have been doing a lot of reading on SC setups and they seem simple, but very different from a turbo or twin turbo setup. I mean boost is boost, gotcha, but they respond differently.

<offtopic>
I am just looking for a system that can be taylored to be highly responsive. I had luck with various turbo setups in my S13 (when it had a CA18DET), but I spent a lot of time >4000RPM. I am sure that driving a SC powered car is somewhat different than driving a turbo/twin_turbo car.
</offtopic>

1slow370 · 02-28-2010, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN

LOL.. what are you trying to do Liquid spin these poor guys brains?

To save everyone from googling to death, here's a good article which gives you some insight on adiabatic efficiency and what he's discussing: Supercharger & Blower Basics - Tech Article - Chevy High Performance Magazine

As far as this exact supercharger, and our setup, I'd have to refer to our engineers to get an idea of what this lays out to, but I will tell you the system has been designed around the fact that we're not pushing the current S/C to the limit, and within the current series we've spec'd, there is also additional trims that can support much more..

Spin my brain josh, some of us here knew what it was we aren't all new to this. Just for referance a whipple 140ax has has a maximum 30psi and a peak AE of 80%, and it can provide peak boost from below 3000 rpm, with over a 700hp capacity, where does the vortech unit fall?

LiquidZ · 03-01-2010, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

Spin my brain josh, some of us here knew what it was we aren't all new to this. Just for referance a whipple 140ax has has a maximum 30psi and a peak AE of 80%, and it can provide peak boost from below 3000 rpm, with over a 700hp capacity, where does the vortech unit fall?

From SUPERCHARGERS: Vortech V-3 Series Supercharger | Vortech Superchargers

Si Trim:
Max Speed: 52000 RPM
Max Boost: 22 PSI
Max Flow: 1150 CFM
Max Power: 775 HP
Peak Efficiency: 78%

SCi Trim:
Max Speed: 53000 RPM
Max Boost: 17 PSI
Max Flow: 1050 CFM
Max Power: 725 HP
Peak Efficiency: 75%

shumby · 03-01-2010, 08:47 AM

GTM's SC is now released with pricing. When will we see stillens?

m4a1mustang · 03-01-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by shumby

GTM's SC is now released with pricing. When will we see stillens?

I'm wondering the same thing. I have the money to blow!!!

RCZ · 03-01-2010, 09:44 AM

At least now I know which kit I'm not buying. It's down to Stillen to see if I go FI at all or not...

Don't let me down

Buddy Revell · 03-01-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

At least now I know which kit I'm not buying. It's down to Stillen to see if I go FI at all or not...

Don't let me down

I'm curious why?

shumby · 03-01-2010, 09:52 AM

I cannot wait to hear your BS reasons RCZ

Buddy Revell · 03-01-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by shumby

GTM's SC is now released with pricing. When will we see stillens?

Agreed. We are in their early March window for release info.

RCZ · 03-01-2010, 10:00 AM

Didnt like what I saw in the other kit. I live in Miami, it rains a lot here and speaking completely seriously, hydrolocking is a real concern for me. In my opinion the location of their sc is forced and they had to make some serious compromises to get it to work. Regardless, I asked the questions because I don't want to make premature assumptions without their data. It just seems "half way to get it out sooner than Stillen" for me. What difference does it make though, its just one person's opinion. Not an attack on GTM or anything but, the fit and finish of all the clamps, welds, and other bits feel like they could have used another week or two in development.

Feels like a LOT more actual research has gone into the Stillen than the GTM. When I look at the GTM kit it seems like "OK we know what we want to do, lets find a way to make it work and voila." The Stillen ones seems to me like they said, "Ok, whats the best way we can do this and why? Ok we chose this, lets study the options and make sure we are maximizing performance. What could we have done to make this better?"

I don't know if that makes any sense to you.

biggersNISMO · 03-01-2010, 10:01 AM

Kyle, can we expect to see an introductory competetive price under 5k like the other kit available for the VHR?

(I'm trying to stay away from names)

Thanks Kyle!

LiquidZ · 03-01-2010, 10:12 AM

RCZ, I feel the same way you do. I actually have the same concerns you do about the GTM kit. Well said, imo.

G37Sam · 03-01-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by shumby

GTM's SC is now released with pricing. When will we see stillens?

When they're done drifting it! lol

RCZ · 03-01-2010, 10:20 AM

Shumby, I got no issues with you man, I know you like GTM and are friends with Sam. I can see you are annoyed and you think I'm a Stillen fanboi. Like any good friend you are standing up for them. I understand so I'm not even mad that you think I have BS reasons.

I think there's nothing wrong with a little healthy competition between the two companies. Keeps our prices down and performance up.

02-28-2010, 06:27 PM	#662 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 22	That is pretty awesome then. I have been doing a lot of reading on SC setups and they seem simple, but very different from a turbo or twin turbo setup. I mean boost is boost, gotcha, but they respond differently. <offtopic> I am just looking for a system that can be taylored to be highly responsive. I had luck with various turbo setups in my S13 (when it had a CA18DET), but I spent a lot of time >4000RPM. I am sure that driving a SC powered car is somewhat different than driving a turbo/twin_turbo car. </offtopic> __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

03-01-2010, 08:47 AM	#665 (permalink)
shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 44 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 236	GTM's SC is now released with pricing. When will we see stillens? __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam

03-01-2010, 09:52 AM	#669 (permalink)
shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 44 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 236	I cannot wait to hear your BS reasons RCZ __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam

03-01-2010, 10:01 AM	#672 (permalink)
biggersNISMO Base Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Lakewood... Green Mtn.. Posts: 102 Drives: Z Rep Power: 15	Kyle, can we expect to see an introductory competetive price under 5k like the other kit available for the VHR? (I'm trying to stay away from names) Thanks Kyle! __________________ an awkward morning beats a boring night CONOC.NET

03-01-2010, 10:12 AM	#673 (permalink)
LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 705	RCZ, I feel the same way you do. I actually have the same concerns you do about the GTM kit. Well said, imo. __________________

03-01-2010, 09:44 AM	#667 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	At least now I know which kit I'm not buying. It's down to Stillen to see if I go FI at all or not... Don't let me down

03-01-2010, 10:00 AM	#671 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	Didnt like what I saw in the other kit. I live in Miami, it rains a lot here and speaking completely seriously, hydrolocking is a real concern for me. In my opinion the location of their sc is forced and they had to make some serious compromises to get it to work. Regardless, I asked the questions because I don't want to make premature assumptions without their data. It just seems "half way to get it out sooner than Stillen" for me. What difference does it make though, its just one person's opinion. Not an attack on GTM or anything but, the fit and finish of all the clamps, welds, and other bits feel like they could have used another week or two in development. Feels like a LOT more actual research has gone into the Stillen than the GTM. When I look at the GTM kit it seems like "OK we know what we want to do, lets find a way to make it work and voila." The Stillen ones seems to me like they said, "Ok, whats the best way we can do this and why? Ok we chose this, lets study the options and make sure we are maximizing performance. What could we have done to make this better?" I don't know if that makes any sense to you.

03-01-2010, 10:20 AM	#675 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	Shumby, I got no issues with you man, I know you like GTM and are friends with Sam. I can see you are annoyed and you think I'm a Stillen fanboi. Like any good friend you are standing up for them. I understand so I'm not even mad that you think I have BS reasons. I think there's nothing wrong with a little healthy competition between the two companies. Keeps our prices down and performance up.

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